Beat Matching V's Sync...

[legunner]

i think the big issue is that guys who beatmatch wouldnt really mind sync djs IF they use their spare time on stage/in the booth to do other cool things(and by that i dont mean beatrepeating and flanging every bar). The Drama here is that CDJ & Vinyl users dont want to see some dude turn up with his laptop, controller and god knows what else just to do the exact same job as they would do on the setup they already have

[russell]

What are the cons of beat sync?

If the program misreads the bpm or beatgrid majority of sync djs are stuffed

You have to take the controller with you which is silly and a pain in the arse if a club already has in house gear

Many have poor soundcards compared to traditional mixers, this is noticeable on large systems

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

that about covers it.

the primary con of beatmatching is commitment and practice.

I don't think that's a really a con of the technique though. If someone want's to be a professional DJ then they should have the commitment to learn the art properly.

Sports people don't become pro's because they buy a bit of kit that plays their sport for them. They need to practice and be dedicated to what they want to do. I don't see why DJ'ing should be any different.

[mattus123]

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

THIS!!!!!!^

the other night when i was playing, the next DJ was using his laptop and ableton, he started pulling cables out.. and cut out the music mid set, it was off for like a solid minute.

That experience has left me thinking everyone should just use CDs/Vinyl/USBs.. keep ur laptop for porn

[GREMM1S]

What are the cons of beat sync?

If the program misreads the bpm or beatgrid majority of sync djs are stuffed

You have to take the controller with you which is silly and a pain in the arse if a club already has in house gear

Many have poor soundcards compared to traditional mixers, this is noticeable on large systems

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

that about covers it.

the primary con of beatmatching is commitment and practice.

I don't think that's a really a con of the technique though. If someone want's to be a professional DJ then they should have the commitment to learn the art properly.

Sports people don't become pro's because they buy a bit of kit that plays their sport for them. They need to practice and be dedicated to what they want to do. I don't see why DJ'ing should be any different.

Yeah i agree that's essentially what i meant, there is no con to beatmatching bar the practice and time it needs.

[Gandy]

i think the big issue is that guys who beatmatch wouldnt really mind sync djs IF they use their spare time on stage/in the booth to do other cool things(and by that i dont mean beatrepeating and flanging every bar). The Drama here is that CDJ & Vinyl users dont want to see some dude turn up with his laptop, controller and god knows what else just to do the exact same job as they would do on the setup they already have

bang on the money

[LabRat]

You have to take the controller with you which is silly and a pain in the arse if a club already has in house gear

Many have poor soundcards compared to traditional mixers, this is noticeable on large systems

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

Alot of people (clubbers, promoters, other djs etc) can be annoyed as they are paying for a professional dj not a fancy jukebox

Appreciate the opinion but sorry, these sound stupid to me

[GREMM1S]

You have to take the controller with you which is silly and a pain in the arse if a club already has in house gear

Many have poor soundcards compared to traditional mixers, this is noticeable on large systems

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

Alot of people (clubbers, promoters, other djs etc) can be annoyed as they are paying for a professional dj not a fancy jukebox

Appreciate the opinion but sorry, these sound stupid to me

Well it's actually reality from a lot of club experience both playing and working.

Majority of what i say about controllers is in reference to in clubs btw, i realise they are great for beginners and mobile djs, but honestly dont really have a place in full on clubs, maybe in pubs/very commercial clubs though.

[MelodyIlliterate]

agreed... i love my DDj S1, was an amazing learning tool... but I strongly feel like no matter how much i practice on it, i will never be ready for a club gig unless i get my hands on some real gear...

4 deck mixing is impossible to learn there for your constantly hitting a glass roof...

but this thread is not about Controllers vs CDJ/Vinyl

its a about sync...

and i think its a unanimous decision...

Sync is ok for..

-Beginners learning the bare concepts of mixing

-experts that are using the feature to do things that are fuck off amazing like 4 track mash ups

Not!

for lazy Dj's who cant be fucked beat matching

[JonnyB]

i think the big issue is that guys who beatmatch wouldnt really mind sync djs IF they use their spare time on stage/in the booth to do other cool things(and by that i dont mean beatrepeating and flanging every bar). The Drama here is that CDJ & Vinyl users dont want to see some dude turn up with his laptop, controller and god knows what else just to do the exact same job as they would do on the setup they already have

bang on the money

This

End thread please.

[GREMM1S]

Sync is ok for..

-Beginners learning the bare concepts of mixing

-experts that are using the feature to do things that are fuck off amazing like 4 track mash ups

Not!

for lazy Dj's who cant be fucked beat matching

Thread is done lol, hurts my head too much now.

[legunner]

i think the big issue is that guys who beatmatch wouldnt really mind sync djs IF they use their spare time on stage/in the booth to do other cool things(and by that i dont mean beatrepeating and flanging every bar). The Drama here is that CDJ & Vinyl users dont want to see some dude turn up with his laptop, controller and god knows what else just to do the exact same job as they would do on the setup they already have

bang on the money

This

End thread please.

Whoever wrote that is a sick kent

[SourceRaver]

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

THIS!!!!!!^

the other night when i was playing, the next DJ was using his laptop and ableton, he started pulling cables out.. and cut out the music mid set, it was off for like a solid minute.

That experience has left me thinking everyone should just use CDs/Vinyl/USBs.. keep ur laptop for porn

Very unprofessional.

If they have to kill the music to hook up equipment, they should be playing first. Or arriving first to have the gear already set up and ready to go (and tested) before their set.

[russell]

You rely on a computer, need a power source and more stress/time to set up.

THIS!!!!!!^

the other night when i was playing, the next DJ was using his laptop and ableton, he started pulling cables out.. and cut out the music mid set, it was off for like a solid minute.

That experience has left me thinking everyone should just use CDs/Vinyl/USBs.. keep ur laptop for porn

Very unprofessional.

If they have to kill the music to hook up equipment, they should be playing first. Or arriving first to have the gear already set up and ready to go (and tested) before their set.

Or just know what he's doing. Setting up TSP/Serato is not that difficult.

[SourceRaver]

I agree but sometimes it's bloody hard to access the back of the mixer in a crowded booth. If had a club, I'd wire up a patch panel so all the connections on the back of the mixer are duplicated near a more convenient part of the booth.

[GREMM1S]

Yeah there are good allen & heath patch things for that helps alot, i am just surprised at how many have trouble setting them up.

[SolDios]

He must not have been that bright if he managed to do that,

When your setting up a controller:

Unplug rca out of one cdj and plug in controller,

plug controller into power

plug controller into computer

DONE

[GREMM1S]

He must not have been that bright if he managed to do that,

When your setting up a controller:

Unplug rca out of one cdj and plug in controller,

plug controller into power

plug controller into computer

DONE

Dont think most of them are that bright tbh haha

[mattus123]

nah this guy was just pulling shit out, so as he was pulling the rca cables out of one track, there was feedback coming through the speakers

it was a MASSIVE cockup

i had no idea what was going on, i dont know how all the controllers work. and thankgod for that

it is SO easy to just rock up with CDs, put them in and play

[GREMM1S]

Yeah for sure plus the fact that if the gear fucks up it doesnt look bad for you like it does if its your controller.

In about 3 years of djing ive had one cd die and that wasnt even the one playing it was one i was cueing, i wonder how many controller users could have that reliability in three years.

[SourceRaver]

He must not have been that bright if he managed to do that,

When your setting up a controller:

Unplug rca out of one cdj and plug in controller,

plug controller into power

plug controller into computer

DONE

If was just a controller. DVS is a lot more complicated with four different sets of cables to connect in some cases.

[d0tbat]

This has gone from SYNC vs beatmatching to controllers vs cdj's. fuck no one cares, the club doesn't care, the crowd certainly doesn't give a fuck. if people are dancing and buying drinks, thats all that is important. as a DJ if your more worried about if some guy is using a controller or cdj's or vinyl, then your in it for the wrong reasons. do it for the music.

[mattus123]

This has gone from SYNC vs beatmatching to controllers vs cdj's. fuck no one cares, the club doesn't care, the crowd certainly doesn't give a fuck. if people are dancing and buying drinks, thats all that is important. as a DJ if your more worried about if some guy is using a controller or cdj's or vinyl, then your in it for the wrong reasons. do it for the music.

its fine to say that/think that

but give it 6 months, and there will be another beatmatching vs sync debate. id bet my left nut on it

[GREMM1S]

This has gone from SYNC vs beatmatching to controllers vs cdj's. fuck no one cares, the club doesn't care, the crowd certainly doesn't give a fuck. if people are dancing and buying drinks, thats all that is important. as a DJ if your more worried about if some guy is using a controller or cdj's or vinyl, then your in it for the wrong reasons. do it for the music.

As much as i'm sick of the argument there is two sides man, some clubs and scenes do care what people use.

It's not so black and white as one technology vs the other its the attitude and aspects of many controller djs that annoy traditional djs, as you say it should be about the music and i'd wager someone who has spent a considerable commitment to the art of djing on cdjs or vinyl would 100% be in it for the music compared to many controller guys who can pick it up and be playing out alot quicker more of a trend sort of thing.

But from talking to you tonight i know you aren't in that category so relax lol

[crundyy]

This has gone from SYNC vs beatmatching to controllers vs cdj's. fuck no one cares, the club doesn't care, the crowd certainly doesn't give a fuck. if people are dancing and buying drinks, thats all that is important. as a DJ if your more worried about if some guy is using a controller or cdj's or vinyl, then your in it for the wrong reasons. do it for the music.

[legunner]

i think the big issue is that guys who beatmatch wouldnt really mind sync djs IF they use their spare time on stage/in the booth to do other cool things(and by that i dont mean beatrepeating and flanging every bar). The Drama here is that CDJ & Vinyl users dont want to see some dude turn up with his laptop, controller and god knows what else just to do the exact same job as they would do on the setup they already have