Controllers in clubs

[GREMM1S]

Then they shouldnt be in a club if they dont want to be a dj lol, people pay money to hear pros not fakes, its not self entitlement the crowd enjoy seeing someone mixing without a computer, and really it looks more entertaining than controller djs imo

[eggssell]

the crowd enjoy seeing someone mixing without a computer

does that really make a diff?

i dont think ive seen anymore than a handful of dj's without a computer in almost 3 years. whether it is at gigs, bars or clubs ive been to.

and even more so looking at all the names at fests or events.

i dont think having a computer makes any difference to the crowds enjoyment.

[legunner]

Then they shouldnt be in a club if they dont want to be a dj lol, people pay money to hear pros not fakes, its not self entitlement the crowd enjoy seeing someone mixing without a computer, and really it looks more entertaining than controller djs imo

Your approach to this is not only ignorant but you also couldn't be more wrong my friend. Daft punk, skrillex, deadmau5, girl talk just to name a few producers/performers who aren't DJ's perform live in clubs using their laptop setup. We have entered a new age where music can be performed off a laptop and not everyone who plays an electronic dance music style set is considered a "DJ". A "DJ" in my opinion is someone who uses cdjs, vinyls or some kind of 2-4 deck mixing setup to perform a live show. But where does the line get drawn? Have you seen deadmau5's ableton setup? Or daft punks? They are incredibly complex and personally I could not consider that djing BUT it is okay because they put on a hell of a show. Long rant short I believe the phrases DJ and producers will be gradually integrating into some grey area what I would like to see is djs and producers whether they use vinyl, ableton, touch screen etc. all coin the phrase 'performer'. /rant

[eggssell]

actually russell has it right. If playing premade music (not just samples) and stringing them together (as opposed to say a turntablist) then its djing. no matter what you use.

All the dance artists you mentioned are not djing when they are simply performing their music.

[legunner]

The thing is there are sub classifications for every kind of performance. You can integrate the bridge for serato and ableton so what are you doing? Are you djing? Or are you performing?

[GREMM1S]

Having used rekordbox with my 900s on the weekend and having issues i want nothing to do with laptops anymore haha.

They just aren't up to the required level of reliability that you get with cd's yet.

From working in clubs and seeing all the issues with serato and traktor and controllers, i'm going back to burning my cds lol.

[russell]

The thing is there are sub classifications for every kind of performance. You can integrate the bridge for serato and ableton so what are you doing? Are you djing? Or are you performing?

Well if Serato is involved you're most likely going to be in a DJ situation. Otherwise you wouldn't really need serato is your playing a 'live' set. Sorry... 'performing' a live set.

Can't say i know or care what Deadmau5 or Skrillex use for their live show but Daft Punk aren't just sitting there with a laptop and ableton.

They have synced purpose built laptops running ableton along with 4 Minimoog Voyager RMEs, 2 Behringer BCR2000s & 2 Stantum Lemurs for their live shows.

[GREMM1S]

Skrillex is on cdjs now, mau5 uses ableton with zone 4d or something and the novation launchpad

[Robsta]

I bought my s4 + laptop & timecode to a club

At first everyone was a bit annoyed but after they saw I was just using it as a mixer and using timecode they were sweet

Was a little awkward to get the positioning right on top of the mixer but it turned out pretty well

At some point I'll probably just end up buying a traktor box so I don't need to lug my s4 around everywhere

[GREMM1S]

I dont follow, you mean you were using as a soundcard basically?

[Robsta]

Yep

[GREMM1S]

Ah ok, yeah would be heaps better for you to get the audio 8 instead of lugging a controller around haha

[legunner]

Why not just use your s4 as a controller haha?

[Robsta]

I'm such a downy when it comes to pressing the play button lol

I really need something to hold and then let go

[Lurk6r]

I bought my s4 + laptop & timecode to a club

Gig log or it didn't happen

[SolDios]

At first everyone was a bit annoyed

I would have told them to go screw themselves, there's nothing wrong with using an s4 even if you aren't using it for timecode.

Everyone has there own way they like to do things, just because you're not doing it the way they like to do it, doesn't give them any superiority to you.

Porter Robinson uses a s4 and midifighter for his shows, and gets no hate for it.

[SolDios]

One other thing that gets me about the whole sync debate is that just because they have sync, doesn't make them any good.

There's still alot of other skills you have to learn, like phrasing, "Eq swapping", and just general things like smoothing out your transitions, and being creative in general.

[Jaz]

But it's not a transition if you use sync

[GREMM1S]

Thats always been the main gripe, if person A with a controller replaces the skills of person B using vinyls/decks with a program doing the work they have a right to be pissed.

I dont understand why controller users dont get this? You use a program to do critical aspects of mixing and expect people who spend years perfecting and leaning those skills to be cool with it?

Speed and creativity can be achieved equally on any medium, very few people, mainly international producers use controllers to the point where the added merits of the performance outweigh the technical shortcomings, im still yet to see locals use controllers properly.

Majority achieve nothing more than a regular set on decks outcome, i still think its to do with getting into djing quicker as heaps of new djs dont have patience.

[andyman]

At first everyone was a bit annoyed

I would have told them to go screw themselves, there's nothing wrong with using an s4 even if you aren't using it for timecode.

Everyone has there own way they like to do things, just because you're not doing it the way they like to do it, doesn't give them any superiority to you.

Porter Robinson uses a s4 and midifighter for his shows, and gets no hate for it.

Porter Robinson is a bit different to Robsta.

He's an international touring DJ, and people pay good money to go and see him.

Robsta however, is just a regular peasant - and I can understand why people might be annoyed.

Until you start going to clubs, you won't understand, but 95% of local DJ's will simply use CDJ's and a mixer, nothing more, nothing less.

[lloydc]

^he's a producer first and foremost, so it really doesn't matter what medium these artists use to put on a show, people will spend money to hear their songs.

how do you get a club gig at 17? I call shenanigans

[legunner]

I still don't see what makes cdjs cooler than a midi controller but whatevz

[Lurk6r]

At first everyone was a bit annoyed

I would have told them to go screw themselves, there's nothing wrong with using an s4 even if you aren't using it for timecode.

I can see an s4 being a pain to find space for, especially if the place does not normally cater for controllers.

I'm starting to find a massive hate for controllers as well (says the s4 owner), I'm starting to get people at parties come up to me and say, "Aw cool I get an s2". Or saw some girls djing in my area on a s4, but no pro speakers or lights. Still getting gigs, but I'd rather it wouldn't be so easy to get into djing.

[GREMM1S]

Lol its not about coolness crywolf, i think controllers are cool, but are honestly more toy like than a professional solution, most i tried it was very hard to beatmatch manually with little jogs and touchy, small pitch faders.

Plus you are taking all this gear when you can rock up with cds, usb and headphones if you use in house decks, plus you can blame the club when the gear fucks up lol.

Producers i dont mind as they use up so much effort and time producing their songs, so i can understand them running out of time or effort for full in djing.

Plus im sure lots of them dont want to dj but demand from clubs and fans makes them.

[Robsta]

It was a competition sorta thing rather than a gig

Acted as a final exam for my DJ lessons