Controllers in clubs

[Lurk6r]

Ey just saw this.

I wasn't able to go, so got no clue if it was any good or not.

But whats your opinion on controllers in clubs? Good/bad?

Personally I don't mind them, then again I guess i'm biased, but only if there's a justification for it. Eg. live remixing/4deck or as anditz mentioned, mixing a lot of song in rapid succession.

[Jaz]

mmm s4 and that that other big allen and heath 1 that eggs has i think are ok, but if its just a basic controller im against it...and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

[eggssell]

? i have an MPC which is not a controller. its sampler/ sequencer (i.e it is not controlling any software and doesnt need a computer to run). my particular model has limited MIDI ability, i think the newer ones have full midi.

anyways i dont mind em. as i said i go to a bar where the holmie comes in every night with NS6 under arm and then about 2 or 3 of them swap lappies during the night.

you do realise most high end controllers are pretty much the same as a cd player, i.e. the manipulation and playing of a digital music file. your not actually controlling the cd

not even touching the sync arguement

[SolDios]

and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

Im gona have to talk here,

The s4 isn't really made for beat matching (e.g. the tiny faders and the position of the jog wheels)

Personally, I don't mind if they use it, as long as they CAN beatmatch normally, it doesn't matter to me.

[SolDios]

Porter Robertson is big on the s4

[andyman]

The only time I've seen controllers used in Melbourne clubs, is when they have an international playing, or at a once of, genre specific night.

Seen a few people (mainly deep hau5 DJ's) use timecode vinyl, but other than that it's a CD market.

[hoddi]

well im not an expert at all lol but i use my controler the same way as i use 2 cdj's and a mixer and never used sync so i dont see the big problem with it

[SolDios]

Your controller has descent pitch sliders though

[LabRat]

Nothing wrong with controllers in clubs. More freedom with effects and what not

[Jaz]

and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

Im gona have to talk here,

The s4 isn't really made for beat matching (e.g. the tiny faders and the position of the jog wheels)

Personally, I don't mind if they use it, as long as they CAN beatmatch normally, it doesn't matter to me.

GTFO, just get out

if you even consider using the sync button then you are not a DJ, if you use sync you might as well be running nightlife... if its hard to beatmatch on then maybe it shouldnt be a DJ controller

[Gandy]

Only time I've seen them in clubs is when the 900s or 2000s are getting repaired

In all honesty in 5 years I would say its going to be quite common I feel like we will go through another shift of hardware again, this time cdjs to controllers

Whether I agree with it? As long as controllers come with mandatory pitbull blocking software I don't care lol

[GREMM1S]

They most likely will but its up to promoters to say to people that use auto sync, gain sync features etc, that you dont respect the industry and the art so clubs and promoters dont respect you.

If you cant beatmatch or manually adjust levels, find beats without pre cueing everything then you shouldnt be in the professional environment where people are paying to see a professional.

This mentality has to come from the top, by all means use it to start with, at home and at house parties but dont disrespect professionals who have spent years working their craft and then bring a toy into clubs.

My 2 cents, i dont care if you agree or not lol.

[Gandy]

Unfortunately promoters only interest is cash flow, would need someone else to police the sync abuse

[eggssell]

but dont disrespect professionals who have spent years working their craft and then bring a toy into clubs.

thats pretty much verbatim of a comment fatboy slim made (well in the same gist of what he was saying) only 10+ years ago.

but he was talking about cd players!!

and he wasnt the only one in the scene that felt that way.

[LabRat]

and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

Im gona have to talk here,

The s4 isn't really made for beat matching (e.g. the tiny faders and the position of the jog wheels)

Personally, I don't mind if they use it, as long as they CAN beatmatch normally, it doesn't matter to me.

GTFO, just get out

if you even consider using the sync button then you are not a DJ, if you use sync you might as well be running nightlife... if its hard to beatmatch on then maybe it shouldnt be a DJ controller

If you do sync it gives you more time and freedom to be creative with effects and morphing the track etc. I'd say a fair few people sync these days anyway

[Lurk6r]

and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

Im gona have to talk here,

The s4 isn't really made for beat matching (e.g. the tiny faders and the position of the jog wheels)

Personally, I don't mind if they use it, as long as they CAN beatmatch normally, it doesn't matter to me.

GTFO, just get out

if you even consider using the sync button then you are not a DJ, if you use sync you might as well be running nightlife... if its hard to beatmatch on then maybe it shouldnt be a DJ controller

Okay, what about if your performing with ableton live, mixing clips and vocals and shit. Is it okay to sync then? as in having 10+ things happening at one time.

[Jaz]

and if they go near the sync feature....GTFO

Im gona have to talk here,

The s4 isn't really made for beat matching (e.g. the tiny faders and the position of the jog wheels)

Personally, I don't mind if they use it, as long as they CAN beatmatch normally, it doesn't matter to me.

GTFO, just get out

if you even consider using the sync button then you are not a DJ, if you use sync you might as well be running nightlife... if its hard to beatmatch on then maybe it shouldnt be a DJ controller

Okay, what about if your performing with ableton live, mixing clips and vocals and shit. Is it okay to sync then? as in having 10+ things happening at one time.

Ableton is a completely different story in my eyes, if you sync in traktot, serato, VDJ etc then what's the point of it? Where's the fun? Where's the skill? if sync becomes acceptable then any man and his dog is a DJ, anyone can pick 2 songs n press a button so they line up...

[Gandy]

Everyman and his dog already is a dj lol

[Jaz]

^ this is true,

[OxyKon]

I agree some what with spitfire that it does give you more time to morph things up, but for me personally I hate the idea of there being a cue button, but that's just me, I love the feel of vinyl and CDs, I've actually been finding myself mixing more vinyl these last couple weeks

[GREMM1S]

I always hear the creativity, able to do more with ableton/controllers, when in fact majority dont. They are just lazy fakes, full respect to guys like araab music and stuff but come on your average dj isnt them so i dont know why they always play the creativity card.

[russell]

Everyman and his dog already is a dj lol

There's more to being a DJ than just being able to play tunes. Every man and his dog thinks they're a DJ.

I've never seen anyone use a controller in a club besides Ritchie Hawtin but he's using ableton with 2 laptops running and all sorts of shit going on.

Never anything like an S1 or that though. It's either vinyl or CDJ's with or without the use of Traktor/Serato

[GREMM1S]

Actually really valid point further up as mere technical mixing doesnt make a dj, hence why controller djs generally suck in the entertainment and track selection areas.

Just something interesting Skrillex one of the people that gets alot of hate for pressing play in ableton djed on straight cdjs and a mixer in his last couple of gigs in Aus.

[legunner]

Not everyone who plays in a club is a DJ.

Not everyone who plays in a club WANTS to be called a DJ.

imo it's about putting on a good show, i don't care if you beatmatch or not.

I can beatmatch easily on cds but i chose to use Ableton and a controller and i don't see anything wrong with it.

If you chose to use vinyls or cdjs and manually beatmatch that's cool too but it shouldn't give you a sense of self entitlement/rant

[russell]

Not everyone who plays in a club is a DJ.

Then what are they?

Only time they'd be anything different is if they were playing a live set. i.e.. not playing anyone else's tunes, just there own.