The main problem with dubstep

[Narukami]

I dunno, i'd just like to point out what I problems I have with nu-dubstep. I mean, I grew up in the dubstep scene so I really can't stand this nu-dubstep ,but there are some songs that I can tolerate (rhinestone eyes (Hooky Remix), Blood red, broken string, etc). But the problem that I have with nu skool dubstep is it's beat. Nu skool tries hard to be this filthy, dirty genre of music but it's just hard to dance to cuz of the beat. the beat's 2-step so it skips the 2nd bar (so instead of kick-snare-kick-snare, what you get is boom-*silence*-snare-*silence*-boom-*silence*-snare).

Take this song for example. It's amazing (and like I said, i'll tolerate some nu skool dubstep) but I don't feel like it's dancable. how many people here actually mix dubstep in clubs? what was the crowd's reaction? 2 step is a VERY chilled out beat and that's why old school dubstep does it better. beacuse it's chilled and relaxed. you don't have to dance to it because you can't. it's not like nu skool where you feel like you just gotta dance to it. example of old school:

another thing that i absalutely HATE about nu skool is it's trance elements. take this song (Tristam - Follow Me) for example:

as you've noticed, it has a TERRIBLE drop. it was a beautiful intro and then suddenly, the drop comes in and ruins it. it's like you looking at some pretty flowers and some guy just comes in a shits all over the flowers. it's unnecessary and I hate it.

Thirdly.... bass. I hate this word. I hate this word with a passion. Not because I hate bass but how it's so abused. Like seriously, ask any kid out there what's bass and they won't even know how to answer (I asked this kid once and he said "it's the heartbeat to the song".... facepalm.jpeg). I hope most of you guys know what bass is 'cause if you don't... I don't want to live on this planet anymore. But yeah what I'm trying to say is: NU DUBSTEP HAS NO BASS. Sounding 'bassy' isn't enough. I mean, how can people with subwoofers mistake this midrange synth with 'bass'. Those wub-wubs you hear aren't bass. They're mid ranged sounds that made to sound bassy. So in all technicality, it's like high school girls: Amazingly amazing but more faker then barbies.

Last thing I hate bout nu skool are the fans. No really the fans just piss the shit outta me. Need I say more?

So yeah, I'm just wondering: How many if you guys mixed Nu Skool Dubstep in your sets? And the crowd's reactions? and is there anybody out there who feels the same thing as I do?

[JonnyB]

i can see where your coming from man, i really can,

but no i dont agree, what your talking about is your own personal opinion, not how it actually is.

i am probaly what you would call a 'nu dubstep' dj and yes people dance to it, and they fucking love it. and the fans of it are diffrent because its diffrent music. its the more angry version. which appeals to the younger crowd, its kind of like when the punk/hardcore scene started off, you had all these massive rock groups, then these small punk bands started forming like the dead kennady's and bad brains which was for the more angry younger crowd, and i dare say the older crowd from the rock scene would of been thinking 'wtf is this, this isnt music'

to be honest they are 2 diffrent genre's but sadely they have been hit with the same name, which is why i think so many people that grew up with the original dubstep hate the new stuff so much, because you hear it and think 'wait what the fuck, this isnt dubstep, how dare they' Ive seen it all to many time on the dubstep.com forum. which is why i dont go there anymore.

just because you dont like it, dosent mean it is terrible or shit. i liked every song you linked, eventhe tristam track.

i also like skream, benga, kryptic minds and mala, just to point out.

i understand your rant, but i dont agree with it. people like different things man

[Mitch]

Yer have to say I go with jonny more on this one.

I like to throw dubstep into my sets, and atm I only play in a club that's as commercial that you'll get. I've still found you can create a build up to it, then when it's the right time, drop a few dubstep songs and people love it.

I'd even like to work on getting a gig at a dubstep event or something similar as I'm starting to enjoy mixing it more and more as I get better.

At the end of the day though I listen to both some of the old and some of the new dubstep - totally different type of sound, similar tempo, given same name when it's different music.

[ChevChelios]

Fairly ignorant post if you ask me.

Firstly, have you been to a Dubstep night recently? Cause people dance like madmen, sure they're dancing like they're at a hardcore gig, but still dancing none the less.

2 step is a VERY chilled out beat and that's why old school dubstep does it better. beacuse it's chilled and relaxed. you don't have to dance to it because you can't.

I find this statement ^ absolutely ridiculous, I've heard that song dropped at VOID events countless times, and people go off, and from my experience, people that go to the "old school" and "chill" Dubstep nights, dance longer and harder than the teeny boppers at all the new shit, sure they aren't punching holes in the roof and shirtless bro hugging, but thats not its about is it.

The trance thing is personal preference, but progression is progression, and although it may create a few bastard childs, shutting it down is worse than letting it grow, if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

Mid range bass is still bass mate, get a bass guitar and play up the fretboard, still sounds like a bass dunnit? Bass in EDM is just replicating the part played by a bass guitar in acoustic music.

Lastly, you can't choose fans, and a whole bunch of drug infused headcases is better than one lonely skanker, your fans determine the success of the music, and "nu skool" fans like to spend dey money, and more power to the people taking advantage of that.

[russell]

i don't think the term Nu-Dubstep even exists does it?

It's all dubstep. Some of it is more wobbly bass focused and some (what you refert to as 'old school') is more about being deeper and focusing on precussion.

This is the case with every genre of music. house, D'n'B, hip-hop etc...

they all have styles from each end of the scale. You dont have to like them all.. I know my personal taste for any genre of msuic is the deeper stuff.

If i dont like something I just dont listen to it. The masses generaly tend to like more banging stuff though.

[OxyKon]

i don't think the term Nu-Dubstep even exists does it?

It's all dubstep. Some of it is more wobbly bass focused and some (what you refert to as 'old school') is more about being deeper and focusing on precussion.

This is the case with every genre of music. house, D'n'B, hip-hop etc...

to be honest they are 2 diffrent genre's but sadely they have been hit with the same name, which is why i think so many people that grew up with the original dubstep hate the new stuff so much

Mk firstly everyone is entitled to their opinion but i think you went just a little over board mr ch0w, and russel yes you are correct, there is no term called "nu-dubstep", its all dubstep, but like you and JonnyB both pointed out there are 2 sides to every genre. DnB you've got soft liquid style beats all the way up to down right heavy and dirty shit. I mean fuck even metal has this, you've got trash style metal like trivium and unreath and shit, and then you've got chilled out metal music, take for instance A Perfect Circle, they have quite laid back beats along with more heavy stuff

i think Chev said it the best

if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

For me, i hate pop music, and a few other people on here can tell you that ill never ever play it or listen to it, because i cant be bothered wasting my time with it, its as simple as that, if you really hate the dubstep that is coming out these days you've 1 of 2 options, continue hating, or just ignore it, focus on the old styles that you dig, cause you'll see that those styles havent just died out completely, people are still releasing that stuff

this is just my opinion, not wanting to piss any body off, but this is the way i see it

[andyman]

Fairly ignorant post imo.

[Jaz]

im the opposite, i like new age dubstep, the original stuff where dubstep came from isnt for me

[russell]

For me, i hate pop music, and a few other people on here can tell you that ill never ever play it or listen to it, because i cant be bothered wasting my time with it, its as simple as that,

church

[Jaz]

I mean, how can people with subwoofers mistake this midrange synth with 'bass'. Those wub-wubs you hear aren't bass. They're mid ranged sounds that made to sound bassy

if its from the right producer those mid range wub wubs will be backed with a separate bass aynway? look at flux pavillion, he uses very high pitched synths that are paired with identical bass notes

[street]

Most of the time the mid-range synth stuff is still gonna have the deeper 20-200Hz bass you're talking about layered together. The mid-range stuff is just more prominent in the newer style.

[crundyy]

dub is grub.

most of the people that like it thesedays used to hate all forms of electronic music before you say "eat a dick crundy that aint true" il take you back a few years.

my year at school was full of losers, except for me n my mates everyone used to love that "metal" music i dont even know the right name for it and every weekend theyd goto these shows and see how many people they can injure, sounded pretty ghey if you asked me. I was a gabber/hardstyles fan and every kent would say "oh thats shit crundy, your a loser go and gabber you lad"

but now they all hang for it.

i dont really care for the music, ill listen to it if its at a club im at, but theres no way ill attempt to dance to it/get involved in any way with it because 99.99% of people that like it are tossers and can go suck my left testicle.

[Jaz]

That always happens with the majority of school kids crundo, years 8-10 rap and RnB, 10-12 usually rock and sub genres, after highschool everyone realizes EDM is where it's at!

[russell]

after highschool everyone realizes EDM is where it's at!

i call them late developers

[crundyy]

i call them gronks.

[OxyKon]

after highschool everyone realizes EDM is where it's at!

i call them late developers

I'll admit I came into EDM pretty late on aye, I mean I always liked it but never really was into it so much that I wanted to do anything with it until i was 21 about 4 years ago when I met some friends that did it, after that I was hooked

[eggssell]

That always happens with the majority of school kids crundo, years 8-10 rap and RnB, 10-12 usually rock and sub genres, after highschool everyone realizes EDM is where it's at!

i think the timeline is based more on whats pop at the time as opposed to being about age. when i was in year 11 and 12 "techno" clubs were busting out everywhere. so everyone from kindy garten kids were down with dance music.

(and for my gen kindy to 3rd grade was when people were into hip hop, then the masses moved on)

and yeah not everyone continued on with EDM, in fact people i knew that use to hit oxford street hard in those times were over it after about two or three years, and dont really listen to any EDM these days.

[Mitch]

I listened to MOS Annual and a few other compilation cd's back in 2006 (think i was 12 then) and have been into edm ever since, my knowledge and taste across the different EDM genres growing and changing over the years.

Have always had a wide range of music tastes, most other kids thought some of the shit i listened to was rare, but I didn't care.

But yes as eggs said, the phases most people go through in teenage years is fairly dependant on 'pop' and the charts at the time. e.g. right now elements of house/electro/dubstep sounds are evident in pop music (not saying the music is this, it is far from it, just elements of). That is reflective of what 'underground' sounds have been popular over the last few years. It's all a big circle.

[JonnyB]

i feel we were to hard on mr chow

[Jaz]

Dubstep doesn't have a problem...people do /thread

[JonnyB]

Music doesn't have a problem...people do /thread *

[Jaz]

Disagree, Justin Beibers music has many problems lul

[JonnyB]

problems to you. some people think its perfect,

you just proved my point right

[Mitch]

Jaz you just shut yourself down lol

[Jaz]

I believe those people only like that music because the record company's tell them to, they get there terrible commercial crap songs sung by pre pubecent chipmunks and once it's in the charts every Tom dick and Harry that thinks music doesn't exist outside the top 100 automatically buys it

I know I'm contradicting myself but certain commercial crap you kinda have to