Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/ho ... 15108.htmlThoughts?Just came out this morning from jb$1500 lots of fantastic specs and the upgraded sound card caught my eyeAnything else to consider?Please don't say a MacBook Pro, I think OSX is great and will most definitely put it on my windows laptop (very easy to do nowadays) but MacBooks when compared to a windows laptop are underpowered and overpriced.I need something that I can buy in stores don't just link me some crazy deal I can only obtain onlineThanks,Meg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 dude for 1500 id have to say go mac, my laptop was expensive with near top of the line specs when i bought it...PC is poo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC724X/AIf your going to use it for DJing, this would be better. Sorry to say, but you can't beat a mac for this stuff.Problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 I don't understand everyone's fixation with MacsThey're underpowered overhyped and way overpricedThe HP model I am showing rapes all of the Macbook pro 15" s specs and costs less!I do think OSX is fantastic though and plan to use it on whatever laptop I decide on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 The one i showed has a faster processor am i not wrong?Yes it has less ram, but its enough for what you need, and can upgrade that down the track if you like. RAM and HDD's are cheap and easy to upgrade, can't really upgrade a processor in a laptop easily though.And it's not 100% about the specs. As the same parts are powering a different systems. Your going to get better performance off lower specs with a mac due to the operating system is more streamlined etc.Your paying for the hardware and software experienced combined, the less hassles you will have later, the better security, less driver issues etc. As for putting OSX on a windows computer, don't bother if you want something that is stable, which is what a DJ laptop needs to be.I agree win laptops are better for other things, they dominate the enterprise, business, and gaming sectors, you going to need a windows computer at some stage if you use it for any of those, but for music and production, mac just works better.My 2 cents, take it or leave it meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 First of all that MacBook you linked me does not meet one of the criteria as stated in the OP. That being I must be able to purchase it in a store and not online which as far as I know is not possible with refurbished models.Secondly that processor is rubbish compared to the pc I was considering. The refurbished model you linked me is a 2.7 dual core i7 which means it is approximately 5.4ghz. The pc I linked and was considering is the one of the latest i7 models available and is a 2.2 quad core i7 which means it has approximately 8.8ghz instead of 5.4.OSX is completely stable on a windows computer if done right and anyone who tells you otherwise is only regurgitating what apple wants you to believe If everyone were to know they could have the fantastic OSX software on their windows laptop with superior hardware apple would lose almost all of their sales.I'm not hating on MacBooks or anyone who prefers them I just think personally they're overpriced when compared to other, better options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I thought it was a quad i7 when i linked it, woops. Then your right in that regard.I tried it myself once, didn't work too well. Stability can't be guaranteed with win hardware running OSX.But if your set on a win,http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/n53 ... ml?sort=3abetter computer, and asus have 2yr warranty standard. Relatively same price. They have stores all around melb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Thanks bro didn't mean to call you out lol That looks like a good buy but it's a fair bit heavierIs weight a huge issue for DJs especially if I'm wanting to get into mobile DJing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 the more you carry it around, the more you will realise how heavy it is i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Are graphics important for music programs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolDios Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 You can get that laptop for about $880 if you buy the 4gb version and upgrade ithttp://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers/hp/p ... sku-73729/I got that one with the 750gb hd 2 months ago for $800, then pay $80 for an extra 4gb of ram (the laptop has 1 4gb stick rather than 2 2gb sticks)Dude in all honnest, get a mac, they just work, and when you are using it for dj'ing, you want a reliable, fast unit.http://store.apple.com/au/product/FC700X/AGet that, apple referbs are pretty much perfect condition, all surfaces are buffed, and they replace the glass panel in front of the screen.And as long as your under 21 and enrolled in some form of education, you get 50% back (max rebate $750), so it will end up getting it for $550edit: oh, and another pro for the mac, traktor (especially traktor scratch) has alot of problems with multi core processors with no fix (yet)Im saving for one myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 23, 2011 Author Share Posted December 23, 2011 Mac use multiple core processors though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SourceRaver Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Thanks bro didn't mean to call you out lol That looks like a good buy but it's a fair bit heavierIs weight a huge issue for DJs especially if I'm wanting to get into mobile DJing?Find a crate of vinyl and carry it for 100m...then decide if your laptop is 'too heavy'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 I use timecode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yizzle Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Are graphics important for music programs?doubt it, but a nice size screen helps i believe.for me traktor and FL are much easier on the eyes bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolDios Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Mac use multiple core processors though?By mutli core it means quad core, if your using timecode, id deffs recommend a mac, 2.1.1 has more bugs than code, and the cpu meter is always ridiculously high with quad cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 So the newest MacBook pros aren't worth purchasing either because they have quad cores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggssell Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hey sol why exactly would a mac make it better when using timecode?Im using a six year old 2.3 ghz dual core PC and it works perfectly. So if i buy a mac there will be an improvement?Now for a real question, i know a lot of peeps talk about cpu hogging, spiking, but as long as sounds are coming good and latency not noticeable why is this an issue? Ive always wondered this. I mean if traktor was the only thing your using while djing what does it matter if it takes up all the power? Always wondered this. Is it fear of crashing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The more CPU power being used by the computer at any one time, the more unstable it becomes. When it gets close to 80-90 and 100% it can be very unstable to use. However saying that, i used to use traktor 2 with midi on my 4 year old MacBook pro core 2 duo, CPU never went past 5%. That is also partly due to how I set my computer up so minimum CPU is spent on system tasks. so If you have a decent computer set up correctly with traktor configured right, you should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolDios Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The more CPU power being used by the computer at any one time, the more unstable it becomes. When it gets close to 80-90 and 100% it can be very unstable to use. However saying that, i used to use traktor 2 with midi on my 4 year old MacBook pro core 2 duo, CPU never went past 5%. That is also partly due to how I set my computer up so minimum CPU is spent on system tasks. so If you have a decent computer set up correctly with traktor configured right, you should be fine.This, all the errors only happen with multi core (Quad core) processes. The mac on the referb store I pointed you too is worth the cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 I'd rather use a quad core and let the errors be fixed rather than buying an outdated overpriced MacBook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 cpu is no where near as important to a music program as simply keeping your system clean. have a separate profile for music, with minimal things running, and no auto updates, they'll come on at the worst time and kill performance for 5minutes.graphics for music programs are quite basic, but still look for something with decent gpu. also consider size - it's a trade off of sceen real estate (quite important if running 4 decks ro trying to edit things) vs weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 i agree with tubby, there is no reason why having a separate profile purely for djing on a w7 machine cant go as good as a mac as long as you have half a brain and keep your shit clean if you are keen to get a windows lappy. Just have another general profile for normal shit and when you install stuff under the general profile install for This user only. Agree with the manual updates as well, nothing funnier than your laptop rebooting after auto dl/install of updates. Be sure to remember to run the updates manually though because they are important15" is a good middle ground for screen size, my 13" macbook is fine for two decks but can get cluttered with 4, 15" generally are still light and portable, its only when you get into the 17" desktop replacemetns they can weigh a tonne. Also make sure your power settings are set to max performance and set never to turn off monitor or hdd under the dj profilei personally have a mac because it looks sexy and never have worry about dicking aroudn with drivers etc, bonus of mac is that each model is built exactly the same way in house, so vendors for software/hardware only have to worry about catering to one specific setup, where as with the w7 lappy there are numerours configs with diff hardware/brands etc which can cause compatability issues sometimes, thats the advantage of going with mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsta Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 OSX on windows it isI'll probably go for that asus you linked me Mitch Thanks everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 oh yeah forgot to add asus is my fav brand, top tier quality never had an issue with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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