Sir Jimmy Saville (first DJ in the world) RIP

[imadje]

I should have reported this before but heavy D's death just reminded me. This actually happened a few days ago.

I dont expect many of you know this gentleman but he is globally recognised as the FIRST human to realise that if he put two turntables together he could keep playing tunes without the music stopping.

I believe that was back in 1947.

SRS: before this guy it was bands or a DJ with one turntable.

Which means we all owe him propz. It's easy to think that the idea is simple but it took this dude to actually try it.

And he comes from LEEDS.

He hasnt always had the best rep, he stopped DJing and went on to do pop radio and kids shows... in fact he has been known as a bit of a dirty old man at times, but has also done mad work for charity. He was knighted by some old bint for his services to entertainment, hence why he's called Sir Jimmy, he wasnt born posh or anything. He just kept it real.

So Rest in Peace.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-15647363

[Mitch]

RIP

[MelodyIlliterate]

Gentleman and a scholar

[OxyKon]

Rip

[JonnyB]

what a genious!

[overit]

Bad News...

Turns out since this old whale died that heaps of women have come forward saying he was a dirty pedo kiddy fiddler.

He was investigated a few years ago when he was alive but no one testified. Now he is dead all those witnessess and heaps of others have come forward saying they were scared to say anything before because he was such a respected celebrity and charity worker.

Worst still it appears the BBC, two hospitals where he volunteered, and a girls school where he "helped" all either covered shit up or turned a blind eye.

There is huge investigation going on now involving nearly 200 different women, all of whom were children when stuff happened.

So not such a great bloke after all. More like a dirty pedo whale. I wont be repping him no more

[OxyKon]

Wow that's some crazy shit right there

[Cupe]

A mans persuasions should not fault his achievements.

Respect and RIP

[yizzle]

maybe he was fucked in the head sexually, but that does not take away from his turntable achievements in OP. imo.

i dont condone , but if he did what OP said, you surely cant just give no rep to him for somethings or never mention his name again...

*shrug*

[overit]

^fair point.

I still rep his achievement... it did take a flash of genius to figure it out i guess... but I won't rep him personally.

you know: like I appreciate Hitler got the trains to run on time. But i wont be leaving any flowers in his memory.

[mattus123]

you know: like I appreciate Hitler got the trains to run on time. But i wont be leaving any flowers in his memory.

quote of the day!

i always was under the impression that grandmaster flash was the first DJ.. maybe im confusing that with something else?

[overit]

As far as I know Grandmaster Flash was amongst the first to release records based on the sound DJs had been rockin parties with in New York in the 70's.

But Afrika Bambaata was doing much more.

And Kool Herc was really the pioneer of that scene.

Then Sugarhill Gang released Rappers Delight, which was a blatant rip off/homage of what every other crew was doing (using Chics' Good Life to loop and chat over).

I may be wrong about all that, but one thing is for sure: In the history of the DJ the first people to release records are very often not the pioneers of a sound. Recording artists do their thing in soundproofed booths with no distractions. DJs play live to crowds innit?

But this Jimmy saville peado first thought of using two turntables. He wasnt mixing or anything, just making sure the music didnt stop while he changed song.

[russell]

Grandmaster flash was the man who brought scratching to a whole new level. He didn't invent it though.

The first DJ mixer was used in the Haven Club in 1971 by their resident DJ Francis Grasso.

[overit]

^aye, flash is credited with inventing the cross fader. That's why many think he invented scratching, even tho he didnt.

Grasso was a pioneering disco DJ and working on mixing and creating a journey I think? His roots are post 60s free love and gay clubs where freedom to party was the rule.

Both scenes (disco and hiphop) were heavily influenced by the west indian "soundclash" scene and the DJs and toasters (rappers) that were doing their thing there.

and all of those beginnings (plus a touch of northern soul) have given us what we call DJ culture today.

[russell]

I'm sure the crossfader was invented in Britain. Soon followed on stateside though. I'd have to check.

[russell]

Origination

The DJ mixer crossfader was originally developed as a control for implementing smooth fades from one program source to another, but where did the idea come from? Fading between two independent sources was first accomplished by DJs using two separate controls, often rotary controls. They would maintain constant acoustic energy (equal loudness) in the room while carefully fading from one program source to another. Some expertise was required to accomplish this effect accurately and consistently. It became obvious that if a way could be found to fade from one source to another with a single control, the task would be much easier and repeatable for the less experienced.

Panning circuits were already used in recording studios to move a single source from left-to-right while maintaining constant acoustic energy. While the requirements for a single source panning circuit were well defined, those for maintaining constant acoustic energy while fading from one source to another were not.

The exact origin of the first use of a crossfader in the DJ world has proven difficult to track down. It seems certain to have come out of the broadcast industry, where the term "fader" has been in use since at least the '50s (mentioned throughout the Radiotron Designer's Handbook, 4th ed., 1952) and the term "cross-fading" shows up in the Tremaine's Audio Cyclopedia in 1973. The earliest example documented so far was designed by Richard Wadman, one of the founders of the British company Citronic. It was called the model SMP101, made about 1977, and had a crossfader that doubled as a L/R balance control or a crossfade between two inputs.

[overit]

^maybe. I wasnt at any of these events, even I'm not that old lol

but as far as i know these are the names and very varied origins that started the ball rolling

I bet there's a standard incorrect wiki page somewhere if anyone can really be arsed. Not me.

[overit]

Just got pointed at this:

http://www.gregwilson.co.uk/2012/11/jim ... d-mirrors/

Another huge blog entry about this paedo whale.

This one casts more doubts on wether he really was the originator of using two turntables.

Posted for the sake of knowledge.

[russell]

I'll read that in work tomorrow.