MintyCondition Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Hey fellas, I know that another member posted a thread with the same topic, but I felt like that one died. Sorry if I'm wrong. Anyways, I've been trying to beat match and it hasn't been working out very well, everytime I do it with the same song it sounds decent, but when I try beat matching different songs all I get is just noise (mind you, it's not music!) and I get really frustrated! I just need a bit more help with this. Maybe some songs that are good to practice with... I haven't found anything online that sounds good together. Also I don't understand how do I find out which way the pitch control goes and what percentage to leave it at! I've tried looking at ellaskins and Sarah Main on YouTube, but they aren't much help to me. Anything else that I could try. -Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 welcome to the world of djing how much music theory do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 welcome to the world of djing how much music theory do you know?Well I play guitar, but I'm self taught, so I guess I don't know much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 there could be a couple of reasons why it sounds noisy, you might be out time phrase wise, did you learn phrasing while playing guitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Nope only been playing for about 4 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 rightio, i would recommend learning basic song structure first, 99% of edm music is done in 4/4 timing, eg 4 beats to a baryou might be beat matching correctly but because your out structure wise it will sound "messy/noisy/" etchave a quick read through this:http://www.djmandrick.com/html/djtutori ... -music.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Check out the videos in this thread dude.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6974Will help explain beats, bars, phrases amongst other things. Highly recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 and of course check our stickies in the beginners section , they are especially helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Everyone above me had given the right advise so I can't add much other then that another member on here had an MDEX and ended up finding out that the pitch controll is not accurate and will often drift, this could hinder you a bitmeening if you have 2 songs lined up perfectly withthe same pitch/tempo adjust 1 will drift away from being in sync with the otherIf Sol dios chimes in he will be able to tell you more then I can as he had the mdex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Could you maybe suggest some good songs to practice with.Also I already knew how dance songs were structured, but thanks for the link anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Songs with heavy kick drums. Satisfaction is pretty good and also most Deadmau5 tracks. You can also try having the same track in both decks and beatmatch them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome88 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 +1 for Benny Benassi - Satisfaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suby Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Check out the videos in this thread dude.viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6974Will help explain beats, bars, phrases amongst other things. Highly recommended.This.I have watched these a few times now and every time I do I pick up something extra I couldnt do before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydc Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 ghosts and stuff has a reall good beat to practise beatmatching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggssell Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 yeah def pick two songs which have prominent kicks and not much else.also dont worry about headphones at first. just have both line faders up and try to get them to match.its good, though not necessary to know the bpms before hand. just to give you some idea of which way to pitch. which is why back in the day you would either write on the record label the bpm, or put a little sticky on the album cover.and people are different, but my preference is to pitch the incoming record down from what it should be and then that way i know which way i will be pitching to make the two match.the other thing when you start to move to songs which dont just have a kick, there are times when there is not enough in the intro to beat match OR there is too much going on to match; so scroll forward to somewhere in the song where it makes it easier to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 ^ im the opposite, i prefer to drop it say half a beat behind, nudge the jogwheel a little until they are at the same pace then gradually pitch up/down (if they are different bpms) untill they are matched, for me that just makes more sense but as eggs said everyones different what ever makes it easier for youi guess thats the same in scratching with the normal/hampster style for the crossfaderedit: just to throw in there is no right or wrong way, its whatever works for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 Ay fellas. I want some criticism on my mix (really a beat matching practice). It's rather long, but can should just quickly run through it. I'd appreciate it if you listen to it and gave me some feedback Thanks! http://soundcloud.com/mintycondition/bedroom-dj-8 :hurr: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupe Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 bromake your own thread for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 bromake your own thread for thisWill do, thanks. Thought which section do I post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupe Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 in The Music depending on what genre of music it is mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 Alright thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Alright thanks!post tracklist and transition times too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattus123 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 just had a quick listen to the first few minutesso ill just comment on the transition at 1 minfrom what i can hear, u dropped the incomming track out of time, so no matter how well the songs may be beatmatched if u drop the track out of time its gonna sound out of time.to help drop tracks on time i often tap next to the play button in time with the track for 4 - 8 beats. eg. 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-PLAYthere is a vid by ellaskins and he uses cars as an analogy for beatmatching. highly recommend watching it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MintyCondition Posted October 29, 2011 Author Share Posted October 29, 2011 just had a quick listen to the first few minutesso ill just comment on the transition at 1 minfrom what i can hear, u dropped the incomming track out of time, so no matter how well the songs may be beatmatched if u drop the track out of time its gonna sound out of time.to help drop tracks on time i often tap next to the play button in time with the track for 4 - 8 beats. eg. 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-PLAYthere is a vid by ellaskins and he uses cars as an analogy for beatmatching. highly recommend watching itGreat, thanks for the reply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 You really need to learn and understand Beats, Bars and Phrases. 4 beats to a bar, 8 bars (32 beats) to a phrase. When your mixing you want to start the track your about to mix in on the first beat of a new phrase. Most EDM tracks have a 30sec to 1min intro and outro. Find a few tracks that have the extended version and begin by layering the intro of the track you want to bring in over the top of the outro of the track playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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