What is a bootleg?

[SolDios]

So, what is a bootleg, I can't seem to be able to find a straight answer.

Is it just like a edit of a song or...

[Mitch]

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=6366&hilit=bootleg

[SolDios]

Ahh, I ment on the production rather than the legal side of it

apparently it's just merging the build up of one song, with the drop of another

[Mitch]

No.

If you read the link properly, JohnyB wrote:

a remix - officialy done for a label or given rights by the producer.

A bootleg - an un official remix, someone who has just taken the original/instrumental/acapella and made what sounds like a proper remix, but had no rights to do so, but isnt making money off it so its cool.

an edit - someone just choping up an original track or putting a diffrent style drum beat behind it (e.g party rock anthem (swiss breaks edit)

mashup - taking 2 tracks, and blending thm together

[SolDios]

ahhh, everyone calls them bootlegs in Adelaide for some reason

even the big guys

[imadje]

swear down yer all mad as a box of frogs

the origins of the word bootleg comes from when pirates used to smuggle contraband liquer and other stuff in their oversize boots.

as far as i know a bootleg in music is just a pirate copy with no alteration, edit or creativity applied at all. Often it's a crap recording done live by a punter at a gig.

remix, reedit, edit, mash up etc are all terms used to describe a new product wether it is legal or not.

but bootleg is a term only for pirate copies.

It's confusing enough as it is without calling a remix a bootleg... IMO.

[Gandy]

every bootleg ive ever listened too has been what Mitch quoted from JonnyB's post

[SolDios]

http://soundcloud.com/snatchgrab-deejays/chop-gravitiy-system-of-a

This is a fairly big guy in town, just an example of the (bootleg) thing

[eggssell]

Actually fool is right. A bootleg did refer to illegal copies of movies or tv shows, and i guess full release cd's. Or back in the day, it was cassette tape recordings of vinyl releases.

I remember it in regards to film, where people needed to get bootlegs of asian kung fu or horror films, or bootlegs of the dmc champs, or skate flicks and so on becuase they were not widely available.

And even in terms of music You hear chris rock refer to bootlegging the kanye cd on dark twisted fantasy, and on the last outkast album there is a skit of someone bootlegging idlewild.

But i believe sol was referring to the bootlegs regularly found around the internets. Bootleg as pirate copies is just for us old fogies

[Gandy]

Actually fool is right. A bootleg did refer to illegal copies of movies or tv shows, and i guess full release cd's. Or back in the day, it was cassette tape recordings of vinyl releases.

I remember it in regards to film, where people needed to get bootlegs of asian kung fu or horror films, or bootlegs of the dmc champs, or skate flicks and so on becuase they were not widely available.

And even in terms of music You hear chris rock refer to bootlegging the kanye cd on dark twisted fantasy, and on the last outkast album there is a skit of someone bootlegging idlewild.

But i believe sol was referring to the bootlegs regularly found around the internets. Bootleg as pirate copies is just for us old fogies

i always thought that the explanation foolish said was the actual literal meaning of it, but had a different meaning when used in reference to production, like the explanation jonnyb wrote

[eggssell]

(for the record just got kicked out and had to relogin )

for sure gandy, jonnyb hit it on the head

And sol that link you posted i dont think its what you described (mixing one build into the drop of the other).I dont know the songs being mashed up there but If someone mashes up elements of two songs such that it in essence becomes a whole new song it can be called a bootleg. But not sure if what younposted was just a straight mash

as per jonnys explanation, it is basically a remix without having access to the stems. So you can add in elements from another song, add in samples, add in your own sounds. But basically you are doing a guerilla remix as opposed to an officially sanctioned one.

[imadje]

^ lol, where's me zimmer frame

[mattus123]

so if i remixed a song, technically i should be calling it a bootleg.. is that correct?

[eggssell]

if you remixed it without having access to stems (though i would argue using the instrumental and acapella from a release is still bootlegging), then yes you could call that a bootleg.

but its still a remix, so you would still call it a remix.

bootleg just means unsanctioned (though i notice a lot of releases now having bootleg mixes which i assume are sanctioned remixes not using stems).

[JonnyB]

when i do a remix/bootleg i can never decide what to call it

ive started going with the word booty

like ' blah blah - dk sick WHALE (swissdub booty)

[LabRat]

I see a bootleg to be a chopped up version on the original track. To me, if the track has been altered to sound different from the original then it's a remix. All these other names like bootleg and reworks are just some swanky crap. However, if you are editing a track using ONLY the instrumental and acapella stems with no other input then I do believe it should be called an edit rather then a bootleg. Only because the track hasn't technically been changed enough to lose it's original sound

[MelodyIlliterate]

hmmm... what if you did a mix but cut out a section of the song that you didnt want in your mix... of you wrote a tracklist would you have to say that its edited since the track has been tampered?

for example..

track

|-----------------------------XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx--------------------------|

......... ^..............................^...................................................^......................^

.....mix in............................cut...............................................cut in...................mix out

[Mitch]

That's just mixing braa,

Like live mashups and using hotues and stuff.

If I get what your trying to say lol

[JonnyB]

i think he means like drop the track into ableton, chop out the section you dont want, bounce it then use the edited version in your mix.

its just called an edit i guess?

so just say you edited barbra steisand itd be Duck Sauce - Barbra Streisand ( Mr Illiterate edit)

[Mitch]

^^yer, if all your doing is adding a kick beat intro, or adjusting the song to your liking (or similar) without changing the overall sound of the song its usually called an edit (from what i've seen)

[MelodyIlliterate]

Ahh k. Good to know before I piss any one off