A new home for Aussie Mobile Djs

[Skank]

dude how did he know how to use internet?

im sure they have an I.T department at most of these retirement homes these days

[DjDennis]

how can using a computer at a gig be illegal. what about people with serato!!

I used my mac on Friday night at a club in brisbane. so was that illegal, all my music is mostly from beatport.com

Actually it was unless you had the licence for Format shifting said below and where to obtain one

get caught then dont come crying they want to get who ever they can as an example - read www.mipi.com.au that will also tell you its illegal unless you have the format shift licence

How many people are on here that are serious about mobile?

Been doing it now for 30+ years does that count

a lot of the clubs even back when I started didnt want to pay you the money and mobile was better $$$ wise

I am looking at going to Semi retirement soon now I am doing more with computers tech repairs etc now days

but still will stay active with Djing

even if you never think you know it all you never stop learning

also about the new laws with computers

you have to report EVERY song, who you did the job for , how much you was paid and the cost for this licence is $800.00 a year

now if you do NOT report it you can be refused said licence so be warned there is more to come in regards to the new licence

you can see it at www.aria.com.au

PDF: http://www.aria.com.au/documents/003A.D ... .07.08.pdf

also a Dj Licence which does not cover format shifting from aria located at

www.ppca.com.au look for the tarrifs section for mobile djs'or club dj's etc

have a nice day

[RhemyD]

Dennis...

If you read the sites (ARIA etc) lisences are non-exclusive. You do not need these if you negotiate directly with labels. Plus the lisences are so full of holes there are masses of tracks you CANT play.

Its good that you're point out to people that they need to do some research about the legalities of DJing but the way you're going about it is scaring people off.

There's already enough threads with you going on about lisences, drop it man.

[RhemyD]

PS Caluepe why are the dates really really wrong...? (25 July 2009 Posted as 27 October 2008)

[RhemyD]

how can using a computer at a gig be illegal. what about people with serato!!

I used my mac on Friday night at a club in brisbane. so was that illegal, all my music is mostly from beatport.com

Actually it was unless you had the licence for Format shifting said below and where to obtain one

No mate it wasn't. You bought it from beatport hence it was already in MP3 format. You don't need the format shifting lisence said above.

Rule of thumb that I use: If you paid money for the track, you won't have a problem. Just don't play pirated music.

[pill]

Rule of thumb that I use: If you paid money for the track, you won't have a problem. Just don't play pirated music.

Exactly. I do mobile DJ'ing in Perth. When I did a massive investigation as to make sure I'm not breaking the law, I contacted all of the online (mainstream) record companies (itunes store, bandit.fm, bigpondmusic) and they all said that their tracks are essentially the same as a cd, as in, as long as you're not reproducing / distributing / broadcasting the music you're in the clear (as long as you have your ppca license to cover the playing of the music to an unlicensed venue).

Back on the topic of mobile dj'ing, I've just got a few of my first weddings booked (i generally do school discos etc), what do you guys reccommend as shoe-in songs for the dance floor? I really don't want to rewin some people's so called best night of their lives...

[Buck_Choi]

quick question how much does a PPCA license cost any ways?

[pill]

The PPCA licence is about $200 a year (that's for playing the music to an unlicensed venue). I beleive you don't need this license if you're playing in a school (or government facility), home or privately owned property, or licenced venue that have already bought their own ppca license.

It covers you mainly if you're playing in a community hall, etc, where somebody doesn't already pay to play music as a part of their operations.

[Buck_Choi]

awesome. haha ima play at school when i get my stuff

[DjDennis]

Actually Pill your slightly wrong

if you look at the Tarrifs on the PPCA site you need licences for a lot of things but it covers you for places that if they dont have a licence and you do then you wont get into trouble they will

here is a small list from that site

page is: http://www.ppca.com.au/tariffs.html

PPCA has created a wide range of Tariff categories to meet the needs of different businesses, and our extensive list of Frequently Asked Questions (Licensing FAQ) is a great place to start if you have any general queries.

All tariffs are GST inclusive

A GENERAL LICENCES - open air events; school, dance academy or church concerts; motivational speakers (Single event licences are available).

B ARTS, FILM, MUSIC EVENTS AND SIMILAR FESTIVALS

C CINEMAS AND LEGITIMATE THEATRES

D DANCE STUDIOS (NOT EXERCISE OR HEALTH STUDIOS), DANCE INSTRUCTORS, LINE DANCE INSTRUCTORS

DD LIVE PERFORMANCE GROUPS, DANCE COMPANIES AND PERFORMANCE PROMOTERS

E1 NIGHTCLUBS

E2 DANCES AND DANCE PARTIES

E3 FOREGROUND MUSIC IN BARS

F MOBILE DISCOTHEQUE OPERATORS/DJS

FW MOBILE VIDEO DISCOTHEQUE OPERATORS

H PUBLIC HALLS, CHURCH HALLS, SCHOOL AND COUNCIL HALLS AND INSTITUTES

HM MUSIC ON HOLD

I FACTORIES, INDUSTRIAL PREMISES AND OFFICES

J AUDIO JUKEBOXES

JO AUDIO JUKEBOX OPERATORS

JW VIDEO JUKEBOX OPERATORS

K AMUSEMENT CENTRES, POOL ROOMS, SQUASH COURTS, SWIMMING POOLS, TEN PIN BOWLING CENTRES

M COMMERCIAL OR PROFESSIONAL PREMISES - including art galleries, bars, clubs, elevators, foyers, function rooms, funeral parlours, hairdressers, health/medical offices (eg doctors, dentists, chiropractors, massage therapists, osteopaths, physiotherapists), hotels, libraries, lounges, motels, museums, reception areas, retail stores, taverns, zoos, and/or similar establishments. This tariff also covers the use of protected sound recordings for demonstration purposes in electrical, video/DVD rental and hi-fi stores

MW PUBLIC EXHIBITION OF MUSIC VIDEO CLIPS IN ELECTRICAL & HI-FI STORES (FOR PRODUCT DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES)

N SHOPPING CENTRES, PLAZAS, CONCOURSES

P PUBLIC VEHICLES (e.g., aircraft, buses, charter boats, coaches, ferries, hire cars, light rail, monorail, ships, taxis, trains, trams)

R1 RESTAURANTS, CAFES, and similar establishments

R2 RESTAURANTS, CAFES, RESTAURANT AREAS (HOTELS AND MOTELS)

S SPORTS ARENAS, RACE TRACKS, SHOWGROUNDS, OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT PARKS

SS OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL AREAS (e.g., beaches, parks)

U SKATING RINKS

V FITNESS CENTRES, GYMNASIUMS, HEALTH CLUBS, SPAS, SOLARIUMS and similar establishments

W MUSIC VIDEO CLIPS

WE MUSIC VIDEO CLIPS IN NIGHTCLUBS

X CONCERT VENUES

Y CONFERENCE ROOMS

Z BUSINESS COPYING LICENCE FOR RECORDINGS

[Cupe]

lol

[DjDennis]

See not just one license A dj must have...

if you use other items and do other things then you have to have other licenses.

I actually have to have these

E2 DANCES AND DANCE PARTIES

F MOBILE DISCOTHEQUE OPERATORS/DJS

FW MOBILE VIDEO DISCOTHEQUE OPERATORS

and thats just me - some guys that do clubs as well have to have the nightclub licenses as well

[RhemyD]

Dennis... you really havn't done the research have you? Everytime I read one of your posts I find something flawed with what you say. E2 under PPCA is for venues that run dance parties... as a mobile DJ you DO NOT need this licence, it is the venues responsibility. A mobile DJ needs tarrif F and that is it. If you are a VJ as well (Video mixing) then you require FW. Stop trying to confuse the young guns that are trying to ask for help.

I spent a good 24 months looking at licences before i even though about starting my own company because I was worried about the cost of it all. This is my sources, looking, emailing, ringing and contacting diffrent departments for over 24 months and I still do it on a continuous basis. I am currently having an argument with ARIA about their format shifting licence as there are massivly large grey holes in there contract law. ie. they tell you you need it for burning mp3s to cd however the licence only specificly allows the opposite, ripping from CD to mp3. Most digital download sites allow you to burn it as part of thier terms and conditons though.

Anyway enough hijacking with that ideal, thats for another topic. Back on topic. PPCA licence is around $200 for the average DJ for a single issue licence under tarrif F which licences you to play protected works thorugh one DJ system by one DJ only. Most venues have their own licences but it is a nessecity for mobil DJs to have this licence as most halls and private venues wont have licences.

[DjDennis]

Well you better read and read carefully

this is why they will bust Djs if they do wrong

MIPI regularly undertakes criminal investigations in relation to music piracy reports. Investigations undertaken by MIPI range from market stallholders to sophisticated organised criminal enterprises. Where appropriate, contact is made with Law Enforcement agencies to progress these matters. MIPI also welcomes Law Enforcement agencies contacting it in relation to allegations of music piracy.

To assist law enforcement agencies in the detection and prosecution of music piracy, MIPI has prepared a detailed Criminal Prosecution of Music Piracy Kit which is available to Law Enforcement upon request.

Common areas where MIPI regularly assists Law Enforcement are as follows:

Investigation and surveillance of suspects;

Identification of pirate music product;

Statements of investigators where required;

Trap purchases of the illegally copied music product;

Surveillance photos;

Preparation of a search warrant application;

Attendance at the execution of the warrant and assistance with identification of illegal product;

Catalogue of evidence seized;

Storage of evidence if required;

Copyright evidence to support any charges laid;

Preparation of indictments for charges to be laid;

A full brief of evidence; and

Attendance at any later court appearances.

MIPI is also happy to provide training and education to Law Enforcement agencies on music piracy and its prosecution.

thats all I will say on this matter

if anyone gets caught then its thier problem not mine

Tasmania and Queensland is now on thier hitlist

[RhemyD]

And I am not disputing that fact, I have had a fellow producer had all his music confiscated for a mandatory search for illegal material as he had worked with a radio jock who got busted for using pirated material.

What I am saying is that you fail continously to actually read what people are asking and consequently go out on a witch hunt trying to scare out young new commers for the only reason I can surmise is to avoid compertition. Everyone knows that if you do something illegal its a matter of when you get caught not if. Further more the fact that new commers are here only proves that they are willing to do the research and find out what is actually involved in the art of DJing.

To perform in a club you need no licences; so long as your music is legit you will be fine. To perform as a mobile DJ the only licence you need to invest in is a PPCA licence as it is the venues responsibilty to have APRA/AMCOS licence. Stop posting stuff about MIPI, they arn't even the ones that investigate DJs... APRA DO!

[Skank]

thank you

[DjDennis]

well then I dare you to install the mipi digital file check kit to make sure and see if your system or mp3's are all legal and obtained the legal way

I dont have to, because I dont use a computer at any of my shows what so ever....

http://www.mipi.com.au/digital-file-check-kit.html

have a nice day then

[eggssell]

sorry to bring this hot potato back

rhemyd you said

ie. they tell you you need it for burning mp3s to cd however the licence only specificly allows the opposite, ripping from CD to mp3. Most digital download sites allow you to burn it as part of thier terms and conditons though.

but while snooping around at license info (i too am considering mobile to help pay bills) i found this doco (admittedly dated 1.5 yrs ago:

http://www.aria.com.au/documents/003A.D ... .07.08.pdf

which has the lines:

"Do I need this licence if I buy my music in electronic form?

This will depend on the terms and conditions of the supplier of the electronic form of music.

For example, suppliers such as iTunes and Bigpond music have terms and conditions on their website

which indicate that music bought from those services can only be used for non-commercial, personal

use. Even if you have legitimately purchased music from these services, you will still require a licence

to use the reproduction for commercial purposes."

which reminds me of back in the VHS Video Rental Days ( i too looked into that as a biz to pay for bills...ha ha), rental places would pay i think about $60 to $80 (something like that) for each video even though you could buy it at k-mart for $25, only because the kmart one was not for commercial use. even though it was essentially the same thing.

havent read the beatport or juno t&c's but it would be worth looking at (stupid machine im on now won't open beatport, only beatportal)

[eggssell]

oh yeah so was wondering on peoples thoughts out their in the mobile industry about the above?

in summary i was figuring to go mobile i would need this digital shifting license; an ARIA license; and a PPCA license.

is that it?

EDIT: just re-read pills and rhemyd's stuff. so you dont need any license from ARIA (aside fromt he Digital Format Shifting one) because the venue has to have it right (if applicable?)

[pill]

well, essentially, you said it.

technically, any cd you buy is covered by that same little excert from that aria publication that tells us Itunes and bigpond songs can't be played in public legally without a licence. that is where the PPCA licence comes in.

As i've previously mentioned, any venue that plays music from a record company licenced by the ppca (hairdresser, school, nightclub) has to have their own license, and you dont need one.

as a DJ, you need one if you are performing at a venue that does not have one of these licences, whether you use cds, downloaded music (assuming it's legal, because otherwise, well, ...) or vynil.

and the aria licence covers format shifting.

one thing that i think would be interesting would be the legal implications of some of the digi download sites that allow you to have it on multiple computers and if you would be allowed to do this in a business situation... eg apple home sharing, or bigpond which i beleive allows you to have it on 3 pcs...

[eggssell]

cool thanks pill.

yeah dont know about multi computer rights....

it all gets a bit mudled huh