Mitch Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 hey there guys,i've been practicing beatmatching (on my cheap controller).I have read that if you find it easier to learn with both tracks going in the headphones, learn that way then switch to using one ear as soon as you can, in case you end up playing on a mixer without cue mix, easier to distinguish tracks from each other, etc... What I have been doing when beatmatching is bringing the cue mix in a bit so i can hear the master track as well behind the cued track, as i'm finding if i leave the headphones fully on the cue track, when i bring the crossfader over i will have the tempo pretty close, but the beats will be a bit off each other, and need to nudge the platter one way or the other to get them in sync. However i can beatmatch them fairly good if i use the cue mix.. I have also been turning off the computer screen once i have the tracks loaded, as i think i was subconciously cheating by looking at the waveforms+BPM which i was trying not to do (and don't want to, i want to learn properly in the first place, even if i'm not on proper equipment atm). Any tips on avoiding using the cue mix and using the one ear on/off method, as it must be easier to distinguish between the tracks that way, which i also presume will help me decide whether i need to speed up/slow down track. atm i will have a listen then guess one way, listen then figure out if its better or not, and move it the other way. Hopefully that made some sense, sounds kind of rambly. Probably just need more practice, but any pointers would be great. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 ok so thats basically what im doing except with the cue mix, as i don't have split ability on my controller. Makes me feel better ha All the tutorials i see, they never seem to use split headphones or anything, but you think its fine to mix like that? do pretty much all mixers have the ability to mix cue and master? if they do i guess it doesn't matter too much then what technique i use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapFive Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Your doing it right mate, if all else fails, go one ear on and one ear off and beatmatch to the master output, it can work well enough if you practise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 yer i have been beatmatching in my headphones getting it right then bringing it in. thats what i was meaning with beatmatching one ear on and one off to the master output i always seem to be that bit out for some reason and don't know why, i would like to be able to do it both ways eventually though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixingI just tried mixing in mono split, your a fucking champ Jaz. I have been struggling the last week or so, as soon as switched to that I fucking found my groove again. +rep bra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 ^^ agree with Hobbers, i'm finding it much easier to beatmatch with both tracks in the cans. Cheers Jaz. On a side note, unfortunately no good way to emulate split cue in traktor, will just stick with cue mix for now i guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixingI just tried mixing in mono split, your a fucking champ Jaz. I have been struggling the last week or so, as soon as switched to that I fucking found my groove again. +rep brayou've never tried it? dude 1 track in the left ear and 1 track in the right makes thing so much easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I always beatmatch with both tracks coming through the headphones. feels weird otherwise. hardly ever have my headphones on when making the actual transition though, coz like 90% of the tracks I play are either 128 or 130bpm and the difference between the two is pretty much exactly +/- 1.56bpm. so after I start playing the incoming track I only have to adjust the jogwheel accordingly which takes like 2 seconds, then I just take my headphones and make the transistion. doesn't always go to plan though so I whack the headphones on sometimes, and when im mixing other genres with different bpms like drum and bass or whatever I rely on them a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixingI just tried mixing in mono split, your a fucking champ Jaz. I have been struggling the last week or so, as soon as switched to that I fucking found my groove again. +rep brayou've never tried it? dude 1 track in the left ear and 1 track in the right makes thing so much easier I have always done it in stereo with both tracks playing through the headphones. The difference I just found when using mono split is the sound is a lot more crisp and you can hear the highs etc. But In stereo the bass is just raping your ears and you cant hear anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 yeh everything gets a bit mashed in stereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyB Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 the way i pretty much mix at the moment is have only 1 track playing through the headphones, and have the booth monitor at a volume that is the same as the headphones.so i will have one earphone off and one on, say my left ear listning to the incoming track and the left ear listning to the booth monitor, and having it so they sound like they are at the same voluime so 1 isnt over powering,and thats how i beat match, i find it easier to get it all in time and distinguish the individual kicks etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobberz Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 ^^^I use the one ear off technique first to set my pitch, than both ear cups on for nudging/fine tuning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggssell Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 the way i pretty much mix at the moment is have only 1 track playing through the headphones, and have the booth monitor at a volume that is the same as the headphones.so i will have one earphone off and one on, say my left ear listning to the incoming track and the left ear listning to the booth monitor, and having it so they sound like they are at the same voluime so 1 isnt over powering,and thats how i beat match, i find it easier to get it all in time and distinguish the individual kicks etc etc.+1 for me. I do this. When i am happy they are matched i might allow the master into the headphone (at say 20%) but still with only one ear on and usually flicking it on off on off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 ok thanks for all the replies guys, i have an idea of a few different techniques now, just gotta find what works for me i guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suby Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixingI just tried mixing in mono split, your a fucking champ Jaz. I have been struggling the last week or so, as soon as switched to that I fucking found my groove again. +rep brahow do you set that up?? on my djm800 if i select mono on the headfone selector, i get both tracks in 1 ear i think? am i doing it wrong? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imadje Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 go one ear on and one ear off and beatmatch to the master output, it can work well enough if you practise Hey Mitch:Some mixers do not have cue mix, some do not have split mix, even on the one's that do they are not guaranteed to work. Lets be honest, sometimes the headphones dont work at all!I honestly learnt without any headphones at all. Just me, no one there to judge or complain about trainwrecks. Just everything all the time from the master output. I gradually got better and quicker and learnt tricks to cover mistakes (eg quick recueing, scratching, etc)When I got headphones I noticed the delay you are talking about that happens if you have one ear in the cans and one ear n the master. This is due to the different paths the audio is taking. If you are aware of it and practised you will find it is the same amount of nudge everytime and you can just factor it into every mix.Of course you can embrace tech and use cue mix/split, but if you rely on it and turn up at a gig where it isnt available you're stuffed... so for now and while noone is listening why not just go for it and learn from the roots up? Not only will you be able to cope in any situation but along the way you'll develop good hand skills and control of your platters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 i always go stereo when cueing and split when mixingI just tried mixing in mono split, your a fucking champ Jaz. I have been struggling the last week or so, as soon as switched to that I fucking found my groove again. +rep brahow do you set that up?? on my djm800 if i select mono on the headfone selector, i get both tracks in 1 ear i think? am i doing it wrong? lolmake sure you have the master cue on (the furthest cue button to the right), that will be your left ear (if i remember correctly), then make sure u have the headphones channel set to mono split, then what ever channel your cueing have the yellow cue light on (this will be your right ear)... then adjust the mixing/cue/master knob to what feels right, half way is usually perfectlet me know how u go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 cheers foolish, i should try that. will probably help me get used to my new gear (when i get it) quicker and better as well.. and nice help jaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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