The Technical DJ

[djarmed]

Go Karma, Go Karma

lol, the guy should actually do his research before trying to be an arrogant twat about it.

The post before your one is about beatmatching vinyls, Then you post something about how you haven't had much experience with vinyl and you find TSP easier to mix on infact this is what you said. "i find it hard to use vinyls but i can easily mix with traktor scratch pro. this may just be my limited experience or my lack of having decent records to mix with"

Now the comment in bald....think about this for a second. Whats the difference between vinyl, cdj's and TSP....think basics of dj'ing.....it would be the sync button......hence the "or it could be the sync button" comment.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. i was not being a smart ass, and no i wasn't being arrogant.

Just chill out. I think you probably have more things to get shitty about than one comment on a forum by someone you dont even know.

[djarmed]

software and autosync is the worst thing that could of happened to djing because its no longer the same as picking up a musical intrument and learning it and taking pride and performing, now its just a bunch of spoilt 16 yr olds who get there rich parents to buy them a laptop and download a bunch of music and all of a sudden parade around and call themselves djs

This comment sums it all up perfectly.

So all you auto syncers (im talking about the never before has dj'd and my first piece of kit was a lappy and a midi controller auto syncers excl djaz cause he woke up to him self) THIS is why the people that do it the manual way hate auto sync and software.

BUT one day i guarantee that YOU the auto syncers out in the world will get pissed off with whatever the future of dj'ing has for us.

So before you get all shitty with people like myself and gandy and others just think where we have come from and how we learnt (spending hours upon hours learning to beat match) and how software has destroyed that.

But anyway we wouldn't all be arguing about this unless we were passionate about music right??? So ultimately we all have something in common.

[LabRat]

the same as picking up a musical intrument and learning it and taking pride and performing

and what a feeling that it, right?

[legunner]

i have spent hours learning to beat match i had cdj800s and used them heaps, i still do with vinyl most of the time, but just cause i did that doesnt give me some excuse to wail on everyone who does sync, fuck let them go everyone knows people who can't beatmatch will eventually get figured out, but who cares. it shouldnt be about what other people think it should be about what you wanna do. if you wanna learn how to beatmatch then do it and you will benefit. but what just cause i have learnt how to do it somehow makes me not allowed to use the sync tempo feature?

[eggssell]

cdjs and their cue, loops, hot cue, head up display is the worst thing that could of happened to djing because its no longer the same as picking up a turntable and learning its intricacies, digging for music, using it truly as an instrument and taking pride and performing, now its just a bunch of spoilt 16 yr olds who get there rich parents to buy them cdjs and download a bunch of music burn to cd and all of a sudden parade around and call themselves djs

same thing really

[eggssell]

what the fuck is wrong with loops?

nothing wrong with using loops but cdj's made dj's lazy by looping at a press of a button. the correct way to loop is to take 2 of the same records and then play the 4, 8, 16 beat you want then cut to the other side, play that same loop while quickly spinning back the other deck and then cutting over. and then repeat for how long you want your loop to go for.

of course you could still do this with your cdjs, but looping is one of those technologies that is accepted and not called cheating (though it still in facts allows a dj to play a better set much easier)

[legunner]

see, so looping is fine but when does sync become fine? everyone will say it's different but in principle its not.

[eggssell]

So all you auto syncers (im talking about the never before has dj'd and my first piece of kit was a lappy and a midi controller auto syncers excl djaz cause he woke up to him self) THIS is why the people that do it the manual way hate auto sync and software.

So before you get all shitty with people like myself and gandy and others just think where we have come from and how we learnt (spending hours upon hours learning to beat match) and how software has destroyed that.

i have never used sync button because i use tsp with turntables. i beat match manually, and i worked hours to learn how to do what i do.

i still dont hate autosyncers.

are we dj's really so one dimensional that the only thing that makes us cut the grade is the ability to beatmatch? i can beatmatch manually, but i can guarnatee my sets sound much worse than karma's. so who should club promoters hire. me the technical old schooler, or someone who can actually dj?

[street]

nothing wrong with using loops but cdj's made dj's lazy by looping at a press of a button. the correct way to loop is to take 2 of the same records and then play the 4, 8, 16 beat you want then cut to the other side, play that same loop while quickly spinning back the other deck and then cutting over. and then repeat for how long you want your loop to go for.

of course you could still do this with your cdjs, but looping is one of those technologies that is accepted and not called cheating (though it still in facts allows a dj to play a better set much easier)

yeah good point.

i dont really rely on loops, just kinda use them as a last resort if the song is about to end and I havent got the incoming track set up yet, as well as using them to make a roll kind of effect by pressing them a few times heaps quickly before a drop to make it hit harder.

[eggssell]

i dont really rely on loops, just kinda use them as a last resort if the song is about to end and I havent got the incoming track set up yet, as well as using them to make a roll kind of effect by pressing them a few times heaps quickly before a drop to make it hit harder.

^this.

so you use it to enhance your set or as an emergency. i dont think djs had that advantage of magically just pressing a button.

a lot of djs to this day still do the quick backspin to repeat a loop within a song to enhance the feeling of the next part of the song, be it a drop or whatever. especially if its going into the section everyone is waiting for.

[eggssell]

in fact having read that again.

how is setting a loop so you can manually beatmatch any better than someone pressing the sync button? you basically make it so you can just keep moving the pitch up and down till you hit your target. sounds like a massive help to me....

[Gandy]

cdjs and their cue, loops, hot cue, head up display is the worst thing that could of happened to djing because its no longer the same as picking up a turntable and learning its intricacies, digging for music, using it truly as an instrument and taking pride and performing, now its just a bunch of spoilt 16 yr olds who get there rich parents to buy them cdjs and download a bunch of music burn to cd and all of a sudden parade around and call themselves djs

same thing really

no, not really

[eggssell]

so you dont think cdjs have made djing any easier to using turntables? you dont think there are some things people who use cdjs can do that can never be replicated using turntables?

i guess we see things differently.

and dont get me wrong i aint knockin cdj users or really believe they are cheating, i just dont understand the hypocricy of someone who accepts the technology and advancement of cdjs and then would mock another

[dim]

ugh so over the autosync debates..... i'm sure back in the day when cdjs came out it was

"oh... cdjs are cheating" etc. really don't care + cbf anymore

nearly read the whole ITM thread until awesomes advert for adjf came on.

cheers blud

[Gandy]

so you dont think cdjs have made djing any easier to using turntables? you dont think there are some things people who use cdjs can do that can never be replicated using turntables?

i guess we see things differently.

and dont get me wrong i aint knockin cdj users or really believe they are cheating, i just dont understand the hypocricy of someone who accepts the technology and advancement of cdjs and then would mock another

you're not getting it. the whole argument here is that sync takes away the need to learn the basic core fundamentals of what being a dj is, beatmatching.

you still need to know how to beat match when using a tt or cdj, but when you use tt/cdj/midi + software (TSP) you can push one button and it does ALL of that for you, fuck you dont even need cans

do you understand now?

[dim]

hey Gandy,

do me a fava: chk my steps so far on the "to sync or not to sync" blog post I'm working on. Just a work in progress so far but feedback welcome. let me know wot issues i'm missing?

http://djworkshops.wordpress.com/which- ... t-to-sync/

obviously angry feedback is ok too mate.

[Gandy]

hey Gandy,

do me a fava: chk my steps so far on the "to sync or not to sync" blog post I'm working on. Just a work in progress so far but feedback welcome. let me know wot issues i'm missing?

http://djworkshops.wordpress.com/which- ... t-to-sync/

obviously angry feedback is ok too mate.

id replace angry with passionate, i rarely have strong opinions on subjects, probably one of the most laid back guys my friends know, but when it comes to this subject its something i wont let go, having a strong musical background in piano and theory (5 years) and now djing. Will check it out where do you want the feed back in private msg or on the site?

[eggssell]

to correct, you cant use autosync when using turntables and tsp. because of the wow and flutter of turntables.

also the OP was saying modern djs are getting lazy. someone mentioned sync and then it became the bash the sync guy.

but its all good and i know weve had this convo before. and your point hits it on the head, to you beatmatching is the skill that makes a dj. i dont agree.

[dim]

hey Gandy,

do me a fava: chk my steps so far on the "to sync or not to sync" blog post I'm working on. Just a work in progress so far but feedback welcome. let me know wot issues i'm missing?

http://djworkshops.wordpress.com/which- ... t-to-sync/

obviously angry feedback is ok too mate.

id replace angry with passionate, i rarely have strong opinions on subjects, probably one of the most laid back guys my friends know, but when it comes to this subject its something i wont let go, having a strong musical background in piano and theory (5 years) and now djing. Will check it out where do you want the feed back in private msg or on the site?

haha, cool, I feel that bruv, just know this issue matters to you and thats why i want your feedback.

Comments on the blog prob easiest 4 us both?

BTW: anyone else who feels strongly about it please feel free to post points of view, FYIs or IMOs. I'm gonna try collate all info on the topic once and for all. the blog is here:

http://djworkshops.wordpress.com/which- ... t-to-sync/

cheers, peace

edit:(that means you too eggs old bean, give me all the POV mate and we can post at the blog so save running the convo again?)

[Gandy]

to correct, you cant use autosync when using turntables and tsp. because of the wow and flutter of turntables.

i know you cant use sync with tts and tsp, so theres no need to even bring that up, its like you keep going back to that because you think im having a personal dig at you, im having a dig at people who use sync, if you dont use it guess what!? you dont need to care

[eggssell]

nah man nothing personal, i was just clearing up a misconception a lot of people have (see yer previous post).

and as per my very first post on this thread (and i tried to stay away) i dont really care for this debate. we know it already. tt guys bust on cdjs who bust on midis and so on.

i only jumped in cause i dont agree w some of the comments being chucked at karma.

but yeah really the point of contention is beatmatching.some seem to think thats what you need to become a dj.

but i think what is the fundamental of a dj is playing prerecorded music for a purpose (mixtape,club,event). you can be perfectly technically but if you cant do the above then to me you cant dj. and as you can see beatmathing is irrelevant to that.

as i said i can beatmatch manually. but karma is a better dj than i am.

[Gandy]

but yeah really the point of contention is beatmatching.some seem to think thats what you need to become a dj.

but i think what is the fundamental of a dj is playing prerecorded music for a purpose (mixtape,club,event). you can be perfectly technically but if you cant do the above then to me you cant dj. and as you can see beatmathing is irrelevant to that.

as i said i can beatmatch manually. but karma is a better dj than i am.

im not saying beatmatching is the ONLY thing to djing, knowing what to play to the crowd and keeping the venue happy is just so obvious i didnt bother saying that its important, because you should know thats important. What im saying is, if your playing the correct music but your trainwrecking you should not be there because you cant perform properly, hearing a song trainwreck is fucking horrible, it ruins the mood and the atmosphere

thats why i hate sync so much because someone who cant beatmatch can still get gigs and perform so long as they push one button

i still dont think you get what im trying to say but i dont know any other way to say it

edit: this is all in relation to club/venue djing, i couldnt give a rats ass what you do in your bedroom, maybe that will help clear things up i just assumed you all knew i was talking about club/venue scene

[awesome88]

i don't have internet apart from at work atm, so i couldn't check this over night.

Gandy, you missed the whole point of my post, which was

- it's lazy

- i don't care

- i'm sick of it being the thing that discussions always turn to

- talk about something other than sync vs non sync

at the end of the day, when you are talking about a bedroom dj or a venue dj..... no matter what your opinions are of the guy playing, if he is getting the gigs and you're not (which i'm not saying you aren't because i know you play out, it's just an example) then you can't really do much..... Pauly D is a douche and look how many gigs he gets/money he gets....

so really.... why harp on about it in eeevvveeerryyy siiinnnggllleeee threeeaaaddddd??

also, i have played musical instruments, guitar and the banjo

p.s. should i buy a mac or pc? nah mean?

[Gandy]

i don't have internet apart from at work atm, so i couldn't check this over night.

Gandy, you missed the whole point of my post, which was

- it's lazy

- i don't care

- i'm sick of it being the thing that discussions always turn to

- talk about something other than sync vs non sync

at the end of the day, when you are talking about a bedroom dj or a venue dj..... no matter what your opinions are of the guy playing, if he is getting the gigs and you're not (which i'm not saying you aren't because i know you play out, it's just an example) then you can't really do much..... Pauly D is a douche and look how many gigs he gets/money he gets....

so really.... why harp on about it in eeevvveeerryyy siiinnnggllleeee threeeaaaddddd??

also, i have played musical instruments, guitar and the banjo

p.s. should i buy a mac or pc? nah mean?

- it's lazy : yes, yes it is, when i go to see a live band perform, i would feel cheated and ripped off they were lazy and just sat down and pushed one button to play all there music or only have to use one guitar string

- i don't care : then thats simple for you, dont read/post in topics about this issue

- i'm sick of it being the thing that discussions always turn to : you dont care yet you're sick of these topics, im confused?

- talk about something other than sync vs non sync: have you not seen all the other threads that are about everything but this topic?

"at the end of the day, when you are talking about a bedroom dj or a venue dj..... no matter what your opinions are of the guy playing, if he is getting the gigs and you're not"

that is absolute rubbish, when a dj is getting PAID to perform and getting chosen over someone with actual skill, that is wrong there is no two ways about it. Its a job, unskilled people dont get picked over skilled people, just as djs who cheat when they perform live shouldnt get picked over talented djs who know what they are doing

imagine if you went to a metallica or slipknot concert and instead of putting on a high energy amp up show they just sat on hands with there thumbs up there ass, thats exactly what a sync dj does when "performing". The club venue is paying the dj artist based on the fact he is going to put on a show and pump the crowd, i feel utterly disgusted when my cover charge to get into a club is going to some retard wannabe who doesnt give a shit about the music or the dedication it takes to become a true artist

[awesome88]

wait... i'm not talking about going to see tiesto or something, i'm talking about a nobody dj at a local club or someone that does house parties. Obviously a big name dj you expect them to play properly, but i'm saying for someone in their bedroom or at a small local club i really don't care, because they will never get to the famous stage.... so comparing it to metallica or tiesto isn't what i'm talking about

i said it's lazy, and lazy people won't make it, but it's their choice, and if they choose lazy then they will be lazy in other areas too, and never make it.

i think we are talking about two different things here...