making the move to clubs

[awesome88]

so my mate and i rekon we could start playing in clubs soon if we wanted.

as you all know, i have my mc6000. At the moment he has some denon dns 1200's, but after he played on mine, he has decided to buy an mc6000 as well. If we decided to try and get some club gigs, we would do it as a pair.

basically, my question is, if we both use controllers, can you use these for club gigs? I know clubs have their own gear, but can you use your own?

i'm guessing the answer is you should be able to use whatever, and i'm sure we could use the cdj's, but just curious.

[lloydc]

yes, just plug into a spare channel on the mixer.

[Jaz]

Id say some clubs might let you use your own stuff but alot of clubs wont

its a equipment trust issue, if they let all DJ's bring there own gear and mid set the controllers breaks or blows a fuse or something then it makes the club looks stupid...(not saying yours will but thats just how it is)

at least if its there gear they know what condition its in and how reliable it is

best you can do is ask man

[awesome88]

yea i figured that would be the dealio. Don't really know if we ever would, but we were just talking about it on saturday night.

I know a few promoters etc. so i'm sure we could get gigs if we wanted, but like i said, i have no experience with specifically cdj's.

even if it was only a few times, i would love to do a club gig, just knowing everyone is rocking because of what you are doing

[andyman]

You CAN get booked playing with a controller, but it's much less hastle if you just play with CDJ's.

I have a friend that's done both, and he's getting twice as many gigs now that his S4 has been ditched for a pair of 1000's.

[awesome88]

yea, i guess controller is better for doing parties etc. but i know most people in terms of clubs still like to see cdj's + mixer + serato.

which i don't really understand because if you are using cdjs + serato, whats the diference to using a controller? =\

i guess it's like anything though, if you want to do it, you have to play the game.

[andyman]

TBH, I've only seen very few people play with laptops (Traktor/Serato) in clubs, and those that did were big name internationals.

If you're just playing local, it's uncommon to see anything other than a pair of CDJ's and a mixer.

[awesome88]

hmmm most places i have been to use serato

[andyman]

Ah, you're NSW.

Well speaking as a Victorian, I think more for convenience sake, it would be alot easier to break into the club seen playing CD's.

Once established, I think there would be alot more flexibility to add controllers, funny hats, serato, & masks.

[awesome88]

haha fair enough. thanks mate

[andyman]

Not a problem.

Just my two cents anyway.

Good luck with it all anyway!

Link me to one of your mixes also

[awesome88]

yea i'll put a new one up soon. Really getting into dutch house (i'm part dutch too... spooooky bahaha) so i'll chuck one up in the next couple of days.

[andyman]

Sounds good mate.

I'm planning on getting one together over the long weekend!

[eggssell]

since buying my kit and for maybe the 12 months before that, maybe only once have i seen someone not using traktor or serato.

the whole king street wharf, the rocks area, the china town area, the north shore area. i havent hit the cross in a minute so wouldnt know ut im sure jonny said its not used there.

in regards to controllers, the only one ive seen is a dude in arthouse. well not really a controller but he must have a midi enabled mixer, cuz thats pretty much all he was using with his laptop. and he was setting off beatmashes and other effects buy twisting and sliding his mixer

if you read on djtt and NI forum, it seems pretty massive in the US. cuz some dude will say you cant use a controlle rin a club then a million people come back with all their residency details.

but yeah as above just ask, and also check djtt for the article where they talk about how best to handover in the booth so you can setup your controller. like not using the poor old tech1200 as a stand

[awesome88]

thanks eggss, it definatley seems like controllers are gaining more credibility. I'm not sure when/if they will take over from cdj's... but i'm sure people said that about turntables too.

i don't have dreams to become a world famous dj, i'm realistic, but still think it would be fun to do a few club gigs. But like i said, without having any club experience, i don't know the deal with using gear there.

[eggssell]

I'm not sure when/if they will take over from cdj's... but i'm sure people said that about turntables too.

ha ha they will never take over esp. not in a club environment!

cdj's never killed off vinyl, and with the emergence and improvement of DVSs, they never will.

but yes, i think their acceptance will continure to grow.

[awesome88]

the thing for me is, i can understand people buying dvs if they already have the turntables or cdjs and want to start using a laptop with it.... but i still don't understand buying cdjs+mixer+traktor/serato, when you can buy a controller that does all that and more, which is more portable.

i'm not just saying this because i have a controller, and i can see how previously you might get dvs over a controller because they weren't the greatest, but with all the new ones coming out, i just don't see the point.

like i said, if you want to scratch, i completely understand turntables. If you already had the turntables or cdjs, fair enough. But i don't understand paying $2500+ for a new setup, when you can get something for $1000.

this has kind of moved away from the original topic, and i know people have their heart in different equipment, but i still wonder about it.

[legunner]

the thing for me is, i can understand people buying dvs if they already have the turntables or cdjs and want to start using a laptop with it.... but i still don't understand buying cdjs+mixer+traktor/serato, when you can buy a controller that does all that and more, which is more portable.

i'm not just saying this because i have a controller, and i can see how previously you might get dvs over a controller because they weren't the greatest, but with all the new ones coming out, i just don't see the point.

like i said, if you want to scratch, i completely understand turntables. If you already had the turntables or cdjs, fair enough. But i don't understand paying $2500+ for a new setup, when you can get something for $1000.

this has kind of moved away from the original topic, and i know people have their heart in different equipment, but i still wonder about it.

I agree but theres always going to be people who like to use TTs and still think of controller's as flimsy or unreliable or just simply not as good. I personally believe what your saying is correct but oh well..

Back on topic. When i play out they ask me if i want to use there gear or my own depends what you have at your disposal

[lloydc]

the thing for me is, i can understand people buying dvs if they already have the turntables or cdjs and want to start using a laptop with it.... but i still don't understand buying cdjs+mixer+traktor/serato, when you can buy a controller that does all that and more, which is more portable.

i'm not just saying this because i have a controller, and i can see how previously you might get dvs over a controller because they weren't the greatest, but with all the new ones coming out, i just don't see the point.

like i said, if you want to scratch, i completely understand turntables. If you already had the turntables or cdjs, fair enough. But i don't understand paying $2500+ for a new setup, when you can get something for $1000.

this has kind of moved away from the original topic, and i know people have their heart in different equipment, but i still wonder about it.

because controllers have sync buttons... this is people primary issue with controllers it seems.

[eggssell]

but DVSs have sync buttons?

tt's and cdj's will always exist becuase i think dj's from day one have always seen themselves as elite. you know hiding tracks lists, white labelling records, sharing bootlegs only amongst themselves.

and they view their art much like that of a jedi. something that can only be earnt by paying your dues and a lot of hard work. while things have eased a bit, a lot of that gets passed down from gen to gen.

so there will always be an element of people who want to go back to the old (and some would argue the true) school.

i mean people still skate board even though there is now rip sticks

[eggssell]

But i don't understand paying $2500+ for a new setup, when you can get something for $1000.

when i searched for my starting kit i specifically looked for tt's. and yeah it ended up costing me double my budget. the reason being i wanted to learn how to use turntables, not just learn how to mix.

i think that is the reason why some do it (well its why i did it). i wanted to do as i had seen dj's i admire do, and then make mixtapes for mates with my newly acquired skill (yeah it hasnt quite worked out that way...). and its prob the same for some of the cdjer folk. they see their dj of choice and decide hey i want to do that.

[lloydc]

but DVSs have sync buttons?

serato doesn't

anyway, we both know that.... but the whole stigma of sync buttons doesn't surround traditional equipment, regardless of weather you use something like an X1 in conjunction with cdjs and a mixer, you're still using traditional equipment.

it's the insta-dj style midi controllers (S4, denon 6000, VCI100 etc) that get everyone all worked up, usually those who have learnt their craft on cdjs and TTs.

I disagree with the whole mentality... music is music, no matter where it comes from.

sync away my friends