dance music will eat itself

[lloydc]

A lot of you guys may have read this on ITM already, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/features/478 ... eat_itself

I thought it was a pretty good article, and outlines a number of issues with the EDM scene, with some pretty good examples.

your thoughts?

discuss

[Jaz]

good read but fuck its long lol

they basically said FUCK YOU KCB and Timmy Trumpet and FUCK YOU pitbull, now i cant remember off the top of my head if ive heard the KCB song they are talking about but.....

ive only recently heard Pitbull's rip of Americano and let me just say it is fuckkkkkkking rubbish

now i dont like bagging artists out as i cant even yet produce my own music, but if i ever just rip off other people's songs time after time like Mr Pitbull please someone dont hesitate to punch me in the lip and wake me up

this is the reason dance will die, because pop n RNB will try to steal it from time to time bringing it to an audience of teenage wanna be gangsters like some of my mates that doesnt appreciate it for what it is, dont get me wrong though i like the pop and RNB Genre

Congrats pitbull, you have nuked this song and many many many agree

[Cupe]

@article tl;dr

@pitbull killyourself

[FabDJ]

I have the original of Americano by Sophia Loren

A very punchy tune that could stand up to club play.

So Yolanda ripped it from her and now others are ripping it from them in some altered form.

Its the nature of the industry to copy successful

formats to make a buck.

[Jaz]

@pitbull killyourself

hahaha

[eggssell]

hmmmm...

my first thought is who cares if its popular. weve said it in a thread prior, some shit songs get popular. but the truth is a shit song is a shit song regardless of if its popular, i.e. i dont think becoming popular is relevant to how good a song is rather just showing how relevant it is to the majority.

and on the same coin just because a song is popular doesnt make it shit. i really dont get the im too cool for school attitude when things hit big.

you know the oh we love that raw in your face justice sound; oh justice makes formulaic crappy junk; oh we love deadmau5; oh deadmau5 is a pretentious twat who cant dj; oh Black Eyed Peas are true school to the elements; oh BEP are a bunch hip pop wannabes....or dave guetta who everyone was sucking his dick back in the day but because he wants to work with mainstream artists he is now the devil?!? his still producing the same shyte just with peeps that are hated so now he is hated.

a few years ago every single song had a feature rap or had break/ hip hop beats. you even had dre producing for gwen. so you had everyone shouting hip hop is dead. it wasnt dead then, and it continues to thrive now. i think i also said in the other thread, what you see in the charts is usually the tip of the ice berg for a genre, and usually what was famous in that genre maybe 6-12 months prior. so a lot of people only knew of hip hop thru what they see in the charts and judged the entire genre on that. but i can tell you from being a hip hop fan since 82 what makes it to the charts is only miniscule and only slightly representative of that genre even in its hey days like the golden 90's.

and im sure its the same for dance and edm. we may get worked up because we're like oh i hate how people say they like dance because they listen to "drop in some pop act that cool people are hating on", only because we are deep in th edm game. while we might be right into some punk band in the charts that punks would turn around and say what you like those people!

this has happened before you know charts at one time were littered with trance, house and even acid songs. and fair enuff some by pop artists who jacked the sound, but made it for the masses and the masses swallowed it up. i rection the best example was kylie. she took a sound she loved from her club scene (and she would have hit it hard dating michael hutchence) but was different from what stock aitken & waterman were doing for her. now you could say her is a pop artist jacking a sound, but guess what everyone loved it, including the club scene.

so really who cares if the entire world starts bumping edm. its not meant to be an elite class that is only reserved for the posers, but a music style we all love.

end rant. sorry i use to be a music snob before i got to uni and then relaised you know what music is all about tastes. no matter how smelly a cheese may be, someone might actually like it...

[FabDJ]

I like lots of different cheese.

[Gandy]

fuck i must be the onyl one who hated we no speak americano, hated it when i first heard it still fucking hate it now such a shit garbage track fuck my life

no im not a music snob, just hate that stupid track

[Cupe]

fuck i must be the onyl one who hated we no speak americano, hated it when i first heard it still fucking hate it now such a shit garbage track fuck my life

lol'd

[Gandy]

ninja edit

[Cupe]

lol'd again

[eggssell]

hating a track because you dont like it doesnt make you a music snob, hating on people because they digg a particular track and looking down on people for digging a track is what makes a music snob.

for the record i hate heaps of tracks, and a lot of those are ones people here like (or even included in their mixes)

[Cupe]

snob

[Buck_Choi]

Lol KCB joined this forum but isnt active XD

[pulsebeat]

ruined the song

like there are some good remixes of songs and it keeps it good

now its just tacky

wheres the knife?

[Tomy]

good article and I can see the idea he's trying to get across and agree totally. But it just seems like another ITMer on his/her high horse shitting on people that have made it further then themselves.

[lloydc]

It does seem like theres a whole bunch of tall poppy syndrome going on, but he's not wrong and the things do seem a little stale at the moment.

[djarmed]

f$#k that was a long read wasn't it!!!

some very valid points in the article though, wether or not the writer is getting on a high horse.

one thing i must agree with though is i dun rate timmy trumpet or KCB's productions (i def can't do better) but just a musical preference i guess.

And i had a mate see timmy trumpet recently and he said "his playing of the trumpet is great during sets but covers up his pathetic mixing ability" wether this is true i dunno.......anyone else seen him live?

[lloydc]

twice... was at a mate's birthday and he was playing and I was way to boozed to notice/ care.

second time was at good vibes and he was playing with the stafford sisters.

commercial stuff, nothing special IMO

the crowd was happy though

[Mattye]

Good Read. I so called this a while ago...not the whole dance scene being obliterated in an explosion..lol.

But the somewhat sudden progression dance music has made into the worlds pop culture. This then, as it does with anything result in producers trying harder and harder to make songs that "everyone" will like.

This kinda connects with a thread i put up recently about wanting to find some new clubs in brissy. Cause the "popular" clubs have all gotten into the habit of playing the same songs and giving the same feel day in n day out (well i guess night in n night out ).

Hopefully the scene can stay afloat and survive.

[eggssell]

scene will survive. as i said back around 92 to 95 pop charts were riddled w edm. be it trance, acid or house. everything from origs like daft punk to pop artiats bringing in dance producers.

its pop that changes because by sheer definition it is just a matter of whats popular! it didnt kill hip hop it didnt kill punk it wont kill dance music. couple more months then the masses will be wearing flannos stop shaving and growing their hair long

[Skank]

i dont know what you guys are talking about pitbulls being sampling tracks for at least 2 years now and the commercial/ radio world has been destroying awesome tracks through repetition americano is a good song perfect amount of energy and kick to build up the tempo in the club but thanks to it being floged i liken it to nails on a chalk board

but honestly if i ever make a track that gets as man plays as that track has ill do naked cartwheels down oxford st

[BeatLeSS]

but honestly if i ever make a track that gets as man plays as that track has ill do naked cartwheels down oxford st

Quoting this for future reference.

Should get this happening, would be freaking hilarious.

[Tomy]

after a little bit more thought doesn't this fact of "people getting on the band wagon" been happening for 100's of years?

[Mattye]

after a little bit more thought doesn't this fact of "people getting on the band wagon" been happening for 100's of years?

Yeh has been happening for years....obviously thats how music evolves....But the scene has exploded in the last how ever many years.