Turntables VS CDJ

[LabRat]

every dj must be able to play vinyl. timecoded doesnt count lol

vinyl is a must IMO and then whatevers

[JonnyB]

At the end of the day, most DJs are going to be working for the same cause, and if they're passionate, then does it really matter what they're using?

I think the line between DJ and Live Performer has been blurred and we need to start realising that, and becoming accustomed to different methodologies.

with in a few hours you went to someone i was arguing with to someone who has probaly said the smartest thing in the thread. +rep

[Trip]

every dj must be able to play vinyl. timecoded doesnt count lol

vinyl is a must IMO and then whatevers

must. resist. urge. to. yell.

[JonnyB]

think of a puppy...cute puppys...or re live your most memorable set haha

[ChevChelios]

Everyone has they're own different thing, if someone is having fun and getting creative using a computer good for them, I mean fun is what all of you jokers got into this for isn't it? Every mode will always have its place, and thats the end of it.

As for turntablism dieing, that wont happen as long as the are still pressing plants around, vinyl culture is still very strong in some genres of music, being turntablism and most UK bass genres and lots of house still gets pressed too. The main reason for this is you cant beat the feel of it, feeling all the shit moving around and all that junk.

Everything has its place, bar the sync button (minor excpetions excluded)

[Trip]

I used to have an issue with the notorious sync button. Until I saw an interview with Richie Hawtin, and he was explaining how having his traktor decks sync'd meant he could use that time saved to perform other tasks, and keep 5 other instances of Live/Traktor in time for the Contakt shows.

Now I have no problem with the sync function AS LONG AS the DJ is using that time saved to perform other tasks and improve their overall set. Otherwise its just a copout.

[ChevChelios]

I used to have an issue with the notorious sync button. Until I saw an interview with Richie Hawtin, and he was explaining how having his traktor decks sync'd meant he could use that time saved to perform other tasks, and keep 5 other instances of Live/Traktor in time for the Contakt shows.

That be the minor exception

[Skank]

im not gunna name names but i know of places that let their djs use virtuall dj in the booth

[chrismak]

I can understand the negative attitude towards autosync. A lot of DJ's have put in the hard yards to learn to scratch, beatmatch, read crowds, eq ect. They don't want their skills cheapened and to become redundant.

But I think we need to put our egos aside and understand that people have different beliefs and different ways of accomplishing tasks. Why does it matter if new comers use autosync instead of learning to beatmatch. If we didn't embrace new technology to make the task easier we wouldn't be using CD's, digital files, DVS or MIDI controllers. We would live in a world where a "true" DJ would only use two turntables, a mixer and a heavy collection of vinyl.

At the end of the day a DJ is a performer and must utilise every available resource to service the crowd, and not his/her ego. As long as they don't pretend to have skills they don't I really don't see an issue.

Enthusiasts who enjoy the feel of vinyl or like to beatmatch can continue doing what they love without imposing the same expectations on others.

[CBG]

all i can say is gd luck to anyone tryna get work in a club w their 'autosync skills'

[eggssell]

what i dont get is why peeps are always lobbing serato and traktor with laptop djs? traktor even more so. yes a laptop is used but you actually still have to do everything on the turntable or cdj as any other dj...

my opinion i dont really care what is used, and if what they used doesnt make them a dj but a great entertainer, then i would take a great entertainer (when im at a club to dance, or listening to a mixtape) to a technically skilled dj who doesnt make me want to dance or enjoy what im listening too. of course a technically skilled dj who kills it is the top of the pops.

personally i use turntables with traktor, and i can go to any mates house and use traditional vinyl no different to how i use traktor at home, except instead of grabbing multiple pieces of vinyl im hitting an mpd pad to go thru my music. whetehr real vinyl or traktor, i suck just as much so i dont see the diff

and i typed this rant the last time we were having the debate but then deleted it but it always still egged me especially knowing the taht this forum is both producers and djs. and my beef was how come people are so averse to technology with djing but not producing? i remember back in the day when the word was pro tools was going to kill the production industry. that it would allow a whole lot more amateurs into the game. and ableton has made it even easier!!! are software producers having it to easy, are they not as good as the old sampler and keyboard dance music producers. is that why out of the millions songs in beatport a lot of them are shyte. is everything becoming the same same, and is using all the additional software tools taking away from how people use to produce? i mean it has definitely made it easier and more accessible. and as per my dj arguement, an old school musician who produces technically skilled crappy music, or a fresh faced teen who learns how to produce a banger on ableton, which one would you buy?

or do i just have no idea how production works... which could be true, but as i said when everyone was shifting to pro tools all the old school fuggers were complaining how it was gonna kill the music production industry.

[ChevChelios]

protools has revolutionised the audio industry, and just like computer DJing or timecode DJing, you can take it as a bad thing or a good thing depends on how you look at it, but at the end of the day those old fuggers are gonna be out of the business if they can't except it, because theres like one company still producing analog tapes.

Saying that its easy to go into ableton and make a banger is a bit ridiculous, takes a lot more practice and skill to but together a decent tune than it does to learn to beatmatch or push a button, the reason that online stores are filled with crap is because ever man and their dog can run a label out of their bedroom with zero quality control over their products, they release songs unmastered and under produced, the insane amount of that shit covers the small amount of top quality tunes, and that is ruining the music industry, thats another reason why vinyl will never die, because you know when you buy a 12" its gonna be quality, cause shite dont get pressed

[CBG]

wat trip said at the top,is my opinion. its ok to sync if ur running layers kike richie hawtin. NOT, if mixing deck a to b to a

[eggssell]

sorry, of course i wouldnt underestimate the difficulty in producing a full blown track. but surely the use of sequencers and quantizing is very different to multi layer recording sound production.

so surely if a controllerist is not a dj, can people who use a sequence based software be a producer, or has it gone too far from what a producer use to do. now they can even record a live musician and then tweak it out, or bang pads but get the software to ensure it remains at a constatnt beat per minute. is there no elements of the "beat match" cheating in there?

i know that maybe because i know a little bit more about the dj world, and i have seen cdj dj's go from the laughing stock to be world wide club accepted that i can comment a bit better, as opposed to being a total naive prat in the producing world.

maybe ill better understand if things go to plan and i start getting into remixing (i dont think im musically innovative enough to produce my own shyte but my head tells me i have some remix ides). but i need to gets djing pat down first!

[chrismak]

all i can say is gd luck to anyone tryna get work in a club w their 'autosync skills'

i'm sure similar things would have been said when DJ's started using cue buttons on cd players instead of manually cuing the track on vinyl. perhaps the newbies of today using autosync will become club residents in 5 years time.

i think club owners will develop different expectations for guest or resident DJs. you'll have underground clubs where the patrons will appreciate creativity and innovation from the DJ. regular clubs will hire popular DJs that have an appealing image to pull in the mainstream crowd.

[eggssell]

i'm sure similar things would have been said when DJ's started using cue buttons on cd players instead of manually cuing the track on vinyl. perhaps the newbies of today using autosync will become club residents in 5 years time.

exactly this. just under 20 years ago when we started seeing them pop up, it was seen as djing with a toy. the dance scene became more acceptable but hip hop/rnb (i reckon mainly because of the difficulty in getting official 12" mixes in any other format) didn't accept it straight away, if they have at all. and im not talking turntablism which i think can be excluded from "djing" in these convos.

in the other thread about this, i posted that cdj overview which was inciteful for me because i had only known people who use turntables and never really knew how cdj's worked, and yeah there is heaps of "helpful" technological advancements that i can see why it got uner the nose of the old school. but as ive said before i would never turn around to a cdj user now and say mate your not a dj.