CDJ350 to have autosync???? HOW SHIT!

[eggssell]

hey jonny i think you need to distinguish the two, someone who uses turntables to "dj" and turntablism.

the whole term turntablists was to distinguish themselves from other dj's because they believe they had moved away from what a dj does. as per the doco scratch they see themselves as performers or musicians where their instrument was the tuntable. of course a lot of these guys go on to be awesome regular dj's (atrak, craze).

yeah i see what you mean that a dj who uses turntables has to achive a greater level of skill to do what they do.

however i too was in the crowd that believed cdj users werent dj's (like many famous dj's too in the day like norman cook). and as i mentioned the first peeps to start using them at house parties we ridiculed as being fakers or posers. years of clubbing later i don't feel that way anymore. and these days there is no way you could tell someone who had only used cdj's they are not a dj. so that advancement from the turntable days didn't really hurt the scene, did it? again i aint pro, and am only a person with interest in the scene.

and yeah you're right about the shitty entertainer but still a great dj.

[SourceRaver]

"Its all about the music..."

Do yourself a favour and read the book 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life'. Its basically a history of the evolution of todays great Dj's. There were great Dj's before beatmatching...and there will be great Dj's after beatmaching.

A future 'great' Dj will:

1) Not need to beatmatch (whe was the last time you cranked a handle to start your car engine?)

2) Create their own music

3) Create music live and in response to what the crowd wants at that moment.

4) Continue to play other peoples music

5) Still work like a bastard/kiss ass/suck cock in order to the get the exposure they need to be recognised as talented.

Punters simply dont care about how music is mixed, only about the music itself!

Its ALL about teh music...

[djarmed]

MUSIC IS AWESOME!!!

Glad i started this thread hahahahaha woahhhh

but its good to hear from different people and backgrounds.

[BeatLeSS]

Here's my 2c on the matter;

Who cares if it's got autosync - Yeah, so someone will be able to pick up a set of 350's and possibly have it matched in. All this means is that they are going to spend longer and longer trying to figure out why what they're playing is sounding like shit.

I relate it back to computers (since i'm from a computer savvy background)

The average idiot knows how to turn a computer on, start up internet explorer and browse as much as they like.

As soon as something goes wrong, I get an angry phone call all because they've got no actual idea of what is happening.

You all know what it takes to make a good mix/set/song - Let everyone else who thinks they do try and fail, and reap the rewards for being better in the first place when everything falls apart.

[CBG]

It's so hard as a working club DJ, same as Jonny, to convey my point. It may be jealousy, whatever, but it's a jk. I was pissed when I heard someone wanted to bring VDJ into a club and play.

It may be all about the music, but the DJ still deserves respect. It's getting to the point now where they aren't, people are clueing into the fact that DJing is 'easy', because everyone can get a copy of VDJ for free.

The DJ industry is so competitive now, because there's so many douchebags walking into clubs doing 2 bar transitions and never moving their eyes from the BPM counter.

[SourceRaver]

The DJ industry is so competitive now, because there's so many douchebags walking into clubs doing 2 bar transitions and never moving their eyes from the BPM counter.

But imagine what YOU could do if you had the same software!

Given that you've done the hard yards, you'll have a much better understanding of the 'art' of Dj'ing.Imagine what you could do with:

1) Loops

2) Effects

3) Scratching

4) Multideck mixing

5) Sampling

6) ...and so on

I suspect you could kick their ass BIG TIME!

[JonnyB]

i dont want to use software, it wouldnt feel the same as using decks 100%, thats the main reason, what it like to be behind the decks rather then behind a computer etc etc.

i know im being bias, but can you blame us.

although i know im reletovly save because the club i play at prtty much has the same view. only ever seen a laptop in there once and it was a dim mak dj and it was only for serato.

[eggssell]

speaking of laptops do you think its just australia, or is it the size of the club?

looking at all the big fests; as well as a lot of you tube vids of overseas club dj's pretty much a large % of the dj's have a laptop be it traktor or serato. especially the bigger the event the more likely you see a laptop. i think every single dj who played out at roc raida's tribute used a laptop.

ive seen serato in a few pubs, and at least 5 of the cockle bay places the djs are always rocking macs though couldnt tell you if it was serato or traktor.

have never seen anyone using laptop only or a control.

[CBG]

laptops dnt matter. im just annoyed at deck a to deck b style mixing w vdj.

pros that use laptops are often oroducers so they self made loops n vocals via the laptop

[djarmed]

i have never seen people like Armin Van Buuren or Tydi use a laptop live.

I know armin uses ableton for his weekly trance show but thats not at an event.

[CBG]

Yeah, radio shows dont really count. A lot of DJs bounce their sets from ableton for radio shows

[Skank]

The DJ industry is so competitive now, because there's so many douchebags walking into clubs doing 2 bar transitions and never moving their eyes from the BPM counter.

Word

[eggssell]

pros that use laptops are often oroducers so they self made loops n vocals via the laptop

not only producers, i think any dj that chooses to use a dvs plays out with a laptop.

a-trak; craze; z-trip; ?uestlove; steve aoki; carl cox; carl craig; diplo; ritchie hawtin; fatboy slim; nic fanciulli; ritchie hawtin; david morales; flash; bambata; jazzy jeff; pete tong; dubfire; zabiela; hector romero; nadastrom; peanut butter wolf; sasha; all the new turntablists like rafik and shiftee and so on.

though admittedly i did read somewhere in netherlands dvs are rarely used by top dj's (as per dj armed's email) but neither are turntables, its all cdj.

[eggssell]

POST EDITED BECAUSE TOO WHINY.

nice video showing how to use a cdj (which is prob only of any specialness to people like me who hasnt used cdj's)

[Slippy]

ellaskins has a vid showing the new mixer, i have 400s myself and i dont think i like the layout of the effects much, but i guess its abit more practical but it just looks very... basic i guess

[Skank]

to be honest the only effects i use effectivly and competenly when i play out are the filter and roll

[lloydc]

just to clarify, these decks don't actually sync two songs, they just allow you to lock a song at a selected BPM, right?

[djarmed]

just to clarify, these decks don't actually sync two songs, they just allow you to lock a song at a selected BPM, right?

yeah.................still cheating

[lloydc]

just to clarify, these decks don't actually sync two songs, they just allow you to lock a song at a selected BPM, right?

yeah.................still cheating

what is the difference between this pitch lock feature, and just using the BPM counter?

I mean, the CDJ1000 counter is pretty accurate, why not just change the pitch to the desired BPM?

or am I missing something? I've never used beat lock before

[tubby]

1000's only show bpm to whole bpm. you can still cheat by moving until the exact step when the bpm moves up, but thats just as much work and beatmatching manually

[SourceRaver]

to be honest the only effects i use effectivly and competenly when i play out are the filter and roll

Flanger, ooooh....yeeeah!

[Cupe]

ooooh....yeeeah!

[SourceRaver]

Ah, no...

(I'm Olds Kool remember...)

[Cupe]

kekekekeke

[lopsyd]

what you have to remember is that if any of the "DJs" that buy 350s and mix with the beatlock/autosync thingo, get a gig at a club based on a mixtape or demo done with these features, they are most likely gonna get fu*ked in the bum by it. coz as we all know, the club standard is usually 900s, 1000s etc. learning to beatmatch for the first time at your first proper gig wont go down to well.