DDJ-SX

[GREMM1S]

I just can't get excited in any way when it comes to controllers.

I'm the same man, i started on controllers but fell in love with decks.

It's more the challenge of doing quick and perfect mixing, whilst dropping acapellas and stuff without software help that does it for me.

Another big thing is the general lower quality and smaller size of controllers compared to decks.

[SolDios]

I love the things that can be achieved and done with the conjunction between software and hardware.

E.g. Midi fighter.

[overit]

i've never got excited about any equipment.

I get excited about music, being creative with music, and playing to crowds.

As already stated the equipment is simply the tool for the job.

But "the general lower quality of controllers" WTF gremmis luv?

As technology advances there are now as many top end well produced controllers as there are turntables, and easily as many cheap rubbish turntables available as there as cheap controllers. I guess you are judging this comment on the quality of 1210s, pdx 2000s and pioneer's flagship CDJs? Forgetting perhaps all the gemini, numark, skylab, citronic belt drive decks that try and capture the beginner DJ market?

Shit product is shit product bro.

[GREMM1S]

i've never got excited about any equipment.

I get excited about music, being creative with music, and playing to crowds.

As already stated the equipment is simply the tool for the job.

But "the general lower quality of controllers" WTF gremmis luv?

As technology advances there are now as many top end well produced controllers as there are turntables, and easily as many cheap rubbish turntables available as there as cheap controllers. I guess you are judging this comment on the quality of 1210s, pdx 2000s and pioneer's flagship CDJs? Forgetting perhaps all the gemini, numark, skylab, citronic belt drive decks that try and capture the beginner DJ market?

Shit product is shit product bro.

90% of controllers arent as sturdy or as well built as cjds and mixers, fact.

Not trying to hate, but in reference to controllers replacing cdjs and mixers in clubs, i just cant see many lasting.

EDIT

Even your lower end brands bar maybe behringer, your numark, reloop, stanton, gemini. The cdjs and mixers are still a more solid build than most controllers.

[overit]

Not trying to hate, but in reference to controllers replacing cdjs and mixers in clubs, i just cant see many lasting.

That will remain entirely up to the individual DJs. In the EDM "club culture" scene sure, the pioneer media machine has pretty much got it sown up.

But i know heaps of DJs who want to take their own mixer because they like the scratchfader or effects.

I know heaps of others who like to take an extra deck, an fx unit, a sampler, a DVS etc etc. If the club has a built in booth with "industry standard" equipment and it is impossible to move it all out of the way the DJ sets up somewhere else (eg on stage).

DJs are performers and so just like live bands many will not even consider what is "industry standard" as they will only use what they have rehearsed on.

But regarding build quality of controllers compared to CDJS and mixers: The pots, buttons and faders on my NS6 are easily equivalent to my CDJS, I wouldnt have bought it otherwise. The sound quality is also equivalent. The keylock leaves a little to be desired but that is a software not a hardware issue.

Regarding general build quality of the unit as a whole: consider this: a cdj is a user interface of buttons, platters and pots. It is also a motor to spin a disc, a laser to read the disc, a processor to convert the disc signal into audio.

a controller reads exactly the same data from a laptop hardrive, needs no motor, laser or processor. So can afford to be built less heavy and sturdy: it has heaps less to protect.

Both are simply units to control digital files. It is no surprise one "feels" better built than the other. It has to be to protect all the crap it needs. Just because controllers feel lighter/less sturdy doesnt mean they dont have the staying power of cdjs, the top end units have equivalent sound quality and user interfaces as top end CDJs and mixers, they just have heaps less components and moving parts to protect so can afford to be lighter and less solid.

BTW; vinyl IMO is as different to both as electric guitar is to acoustic and I would never try and say different. But vinyl thru DVS: just another control medium.

So IMO everyone can choose what suits them best. There can be no definitive decision as to what is "the best." Only subjective opinions based on what you are used to and what you want to use the unit for.

Other users on this forum know I will wage war on this... not to protect controllers, as already said I use everything dependnig on the gig... but I will fight tooth and nail to ensure beginners reading these threads do not get misled by opinions which are dressed up as facts but are actually irrelevant.

[Scottie]

+rep

[Mitch]

getting a bit off topic guys. everyone keeps falling back to the 'controllers are gay / controllers are awesome' debate.

keep this thread for talk about the ddj-sx

[overit]

^yes boss

[SolDios]

+ rep

I have an ns6 too and I can guaranteeing you it's solid as hell, feels more solid than cdj's to be honnest.

Everything from the tightness of the platters to the resistance on the faders is top notch.

as djim said, there are crap quality controllers just as there are crap quality cdj's, but if you look around you will be able to find those vastly superior units.

The fact that people claim that cdj's are better than software is abit hypocritical, seeing as you have to have software in some way for a device to function, for example you can't run a computer without a bios or an OS.

[SolDios]

Crap didn't see Mitch's post :C

[overit]

^LOL Kris.

Now... back to topic.

[GREMM1S]

Lol everyone completely missed the point but carry on.

Anybody tried this new controller yet?

[overit]

Not really my bag due to the drum pads being in the way of the platters.

I have noticed they have included XLR outputs which is a major improvement on the DDJ T1 RCA only and puts this up there with the DDJ S1 and NS6/7.

I guess the biggest thing to test will be the software and how serato have addressed platter sensitivity for the first time without using timecode. They did well with ITCH so I'm not worried. Also will be interesting to see how velocity sensitive those pads are compared to the akai pads everyone tries to copy.

anyway... yesterday I settled a sponsorship deal for my djschool with a local music shop so I should be first in line to have a bash when they get one, which makes you lot 2nd to know if no one else gets there 1st

[GREMM1S]

I might have a play on saturday if dj warehouse have them yet!

[CapFive]

im gonna be doing and indepth review on this soon, and dont worry i will try to not be bias about it no being CDJ setup lol