cheers mate, I get what your saying,but I cant afford a new Porsche yet,im happy with older gear to learn on and see how I go from there. ill get what I'm after for what I'm willing to pay,i nearly always do,just need to look everywhere and be patient. I'm looking for cdj 800's or 1000's now I think that's plenty good enough for around the $500 mark normally including a mixer. cheers