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yer, sorry for that djaz, forgot that in uk we all live in each others pockets. honestly i'm jealous and would rather be there, but i reckon u know that ey?

yer, bit rubbish really, searched "paws for effect" and just got loads of crap from us army about military dogs. stoopid internets?!

wish i had something better to do today!

i refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous comment.

haha It was actually the BBC that inspired me to start making my own mix tapes when I was 7. I loved music so much but hated the DJ announcements... I also desperately wanted to sequence playlists of songs in the order i wanted them but couldn't afford all the songs. So i used to record them from the BBC radio 1 chart show, editing them with a tascam 4 track portastudio to remove any DJ speak, then overdubbing and fading between so I had a "mixtape". This was 1980. I dont think i've listened to the beeb much since!

I never heard of this kissy guy so figured you were on some major underground shizzle... BBC Radio 1? what's that then?

fair play bruv, even though the set up costs are higher there is much more chance of an income doing gigs than releasing tracks. there's loads more info on this forum, esp try the mobile dj threads if you are planning to get out and about, but also obviously the beginners techniques etc. peace to all the real djs.

its cheaper to make music as a producer using laptop and software than set up as a dj. To start you just need laptop and software plus an external soundcard or midi controller with audio. the rest of the guys here will dis this but a numark mixtrack pro is the cheapest reliable midi controller which will let you control ableton + act as a soundcard plus will be available for use as a dj controller if you travel that path later. It even comes with it's own DJ software on it but it aint that great. The S4, denon 6000 etc will all do this too but cost about 3 times the price if you're just testing the water. you can always add kit a bit at a time later on. have a look at demo for ableton on: http://www.ableton.com/products but there is also fruity loops, acid pro, or even reason for producers. Logic, Cubase and protools are unneccesary if you are approaching this from step 1 IMO. but really it's up to you how you start.

haha, sounds amazing post link?

check bio on my profile mate. just noticed tho: you say you like the music djs make. it's worth noting that making music is what a music producer would do. DJs play music at parties, clubs etc. Often the same person will do both but they are very different processes. DJ is in a room full of dancing nutters, he/she guesses what people want to hear and uses the equipment to blend music to the best of his/her ability so the party keeps rocking. A DJ needs a set up like Gandy mentioned. Music producer sits in a room at a computer and generates his/her own music with no interruption or distraction. Then distributes this music for DJs to play at parties. A producer can start with ableton software alone and see how things develop. If it's the sound and not the scene that you are into then you maybe want to consider this.

^good point gandy can you spend lots and lots of time hassling your local equipment shop? or do you have any mates who have kit already? try everything if you can to help you decide.

fair nuff peace.

so the retailer and manufacturer are counting their pennies while you and your mate are holding down day jobs too? Just pointing it out mate, i think i got out of bed on the wrong side today anyway.

i refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous comment

ok, prob listen to gandy then, but dont avoid buying a controller for that reason, just avoid pressing the sync button.

EZ man, before following in everyone elses footsteps: what genre music do you want to play? will you want to scratch and cut? none of the midi controllers or cd players recommended so far will let you do that.

hang on, sold it...? as fully working or cheap because of the fault? sorry but just realised I have to point out: you either ripped some beginner off, or worse: ripped yourself off, you could have got it repaired in warranty and sold it as "just serviced" for more money after just a little wait.

ah well, cant fault that, Having seen your budget now: A&H generally rated as best sound quality, especially for their filters. Pioneer obviously all bells and whistles but recognised as industry standard by many. I use a pioneer djm 909 coz but personally think the FX are rubbish, filters sound tinny and digital like on the djm 600. Hope they've upped their game for the new gen. If I had that money I would buy new, or shop soiled/open box/B-stock whatever they want to call it, as long as you get a 12 month warranty.

new = warranty, dont you guys see how valuable that is with electronics products?

mate 6 months is still within warranty. it may take some time for the unit to get checked over but get it done, ask the shop for a loan unti while it's away. exercise your rights under retail law.

i thought i'd explained that in the post? but then again i suppose shippage would take A LOT longer for you boys down there, so maybe it's not the best idea. works well here.

I agree with ill but while we're here: i know a secret about behringer and why some people get great use from budget gear while others get nothing but grief from them: they spend nothing on quality control in the factory but they are 100% reliable on returns. The lack of QC is one of the many reasons why they can sell stuff so cheap, that and the fact they always copy and never innovate so spend very little on R and D. If you buy a bit of behringer kit do the following: test everything, and i mean everything, if you find a fault, believe it or not, you are in luck.... return it to store for a repair. If you have to make up a fault, well i didnt tell you to. but at repair your unit will undergo the utmost quality control process that german efficiency can offer and you'll get returned a guaranteed working cheap and reliable unit. The worst outcome from this process is if they find something they cant fix and they send you a new unit because then you are back at square 1 and have to "find" a fault again. This will not affect the fact that their effects are crap, or that sound quality may not be the best. It will also mean you have to factor in the length of time it takes to go for repair and get returned to you. But it does guarantee you a cheap fully working unit which does exactly what it says on the box. I've heard of people doing this again near the end of the 12 month warranty. Kind of like a free service. still if i were karma I would choose the highest audio quality mixer with the least fx etc on it. Not only are bells and whistles just more stuff to go wrong but as you're going digital in the end you'll be using software effects anyway right? so numark m4 will be fine at under £100 in uk money.

haha wanting to dance is what stopped me getting major gigs... i would be too busy partying to mix next tune, bit battered, and looking at dj booth wishing dj was better but forgetting I was the dj who had just let the song play out! these were the days b4 even CD players tho. bit more professional now, but still dont want to sink. Loses that opportunity for comedy if I do.

you just made me cry Now I have to repost this: when you cant understand numbers is exactly when you should DJ, especially without sync

exactly why i didnt buy one. Not just becasue of scratching but for fine tuning a beat match/nudging too. the 8 loop samplers are very nice but could have been placed better IMO.